I have a family member doing just that.

So yea, it's out there.

Why not just lookup the actual answer instead of guessing badly?

sales tax would be less than a dollar

Entirely locality dependent. Where I live, tax on a $20 tab would be a little under $2. I know there's some municipalities where it'd be as high as $2.40.

So, sure, technically still not $25, but once you need more than a $20 bill, it's not obscene to round up to the nearest $5.

Where I'm at, I'm pretty sure sales taxes aren't assessed on the fees, only on the product

Ordering a personal taxi for your food instead of walking a few blocks is peak American.

i mean you joke but fried cicadas aren't half bad

where isn't grass native? are you referring specifically to their lawns? because like, even our deserts here have grass.

Unironically, yes.

It doesn't occur to most Americans to walk a bit instead of drive.

This is exacerbated by the design of American neighborhoods that discourages walking and encourages driving, which of course becomes a feedback loop where Americans don't walk because their neighborhoods aren't designed for it - or worse - designed against it, and so our neighborhoods are designed for people who don't walk, etc.

you see, the delivery fee is $7, but then you also have to pay $5 in "other fees", whatever that means

they are lazy and entitled.

and they think people who cook are assholes.

very few people i meet cook on a daily basis. almost everyone where i live is doordashing or doing delivery mealboxes or getting pre-made stuff from the grocery store. and constantly complaining how broke they are.

like anytime i go on a date the past few years, and say i like to cook, it's fun. the other person thinks i'm mentally ill or some kind of elitist asshole for saying that.

they are.

i had several exes who spend $1000 a month on delivery food. and that was 10 years ago. today that would be easily 2-3K a month for the same volume of food.

and if you confront them about it, they tell you to fuck yourself, if you really cared you'd just pay the bill for them and help them, instead of 'attacking and criticizing' them by pointing out if you make 2-3K a month, spending most of your income on food isn't really a smart move.

the average working isn't ordering doordash everyday.

it's the person making 100K+ a year working 60 hours+ a week

they are just your typical chud who grew up w/ money and thinks anyone who had less money than them growing up didn't exist.

and is also totally outraged that they don't have as much spending power as their parents did, instead of appreciative of how good they actually have it compared to most everyone else.

i never had delivery pizza until i was like 25. but what do i know, i was a poor piece of shit most of my entire life, who like had to cook my own food. the horror.

what's peak American is the fact you think you are better than the delivery driver, even if you make less than them.

i think for many people, even who can't really afford food delivery, it's a social flex that 'at least i am not delivering pizzas and i'm the one getting them delivered'.

people love their social hierarchicies based on employment roles.

don't worry. tons of folks who live in the inner city where it's easily walkable still get delivery from the place 4 blocks away.

or better let, like my neighbors, they get a single coffee delivered from the coffee shop 2 blocks away. because they want to 'spoil' themselves. then they complain about how they can't afford rent and the COL is so high and they are so poor.

and they tell me I'm an privileged ableist asshole when i suggest maybe they could walk to the coffee shop like i do.

because you know, not being a stupid lazy idiot who is terrible with money is a form of ableism, or something now.

btw this is the same neighbor who works a 5 minute walk away, but drives to their workplace everyday and complains about the cost of gas.

also their parents have $100K cars... and they used to mouth off about difficult their life was growing up compared to mine... right.

I'ma need you to connect the dots for me on this one dawg.

people love to look down on other people. and ordering delivery is one way they get to do that.

has nothing to do with being lazy or entitled.

despite all the rugged individualist propaganda, the anti-intellectualism of our culture hinders anyone from attempting anything new and we act like anyone who does is some kind of wizard or supergenius; like with everything else, we act like cooking a decent meal with flavor is best left to the experts.

you can go on youtube--a platform where thousands of expert chefs are spilling their secrets in an easy to follow, step-by-step manner--and easily learn to cook decent food.

but people don't. just like they don't learn how to do basic tech shit, like install an OS.

right, everyone is just helpless victims who lack any/all agency for their own choices.

and that isn't a choice they make at all...

Can you show me the part of the post looking down on the driver and not the person too lazy to walk a few blocks for a pizza?

That's the part that's criminal about delivery fees not going to the driver. My nephew used to deliver for a pizza place but then switched to Uber Eats after his pizza company outsourced and fired all the drivers.

People place orders and see that they're paying a delivery fee, a service fee, and a higher menu price than ordering in the store and then think that they don't need to tip much (if anything) because surely that money is going to the driver doing the actual work and deliverying the food.

But nope, the driver gets paid very little for taking an order. The tip is the vast majority of their salary. My nephew will show me screenshots of orders that he gets that will be like "drive 10 miles to pickup the order, then 5 miles to picked the second piece of the order, then 10 miles to deliver it - for $2.00."

What's worse is that since companies have figured out they can hide this from consumers and get away with it, they've expanded to stuff like "same day delivery" from retail stores. Customers think "same day delivery" is the equivalent to an item being shipped, so would never consider tipping. But it turns out those services are also going through delivery drivers like Uber Eats, meaning someone will pick up a retail order in their own car and get paid next to nothing without tips (which most people don't even think to pay).

Tipping in lieu of salary is a scam.

To be fair, typically in America (outside of major cities and certain planned neighborhoods), 4 minutes away implies by car. Even if driving only 20mph (unlikely), the pizza shop would be a minimum 1.3 miles away, which would be more like a 30+ minute walk for a pizza.

On top of that, there's almost no safe walking paths by design. You would likely have to traverse major roads with no sidewalks, crosswalks, or even pedestrian stop lights.

It's an unfortunate design that many are stuck with.

Talk to literally any business owner, ask them how much rent is.

Yeah, man. The people surviving the horrors are definitely fully to blame for their survival choices related to said horrors, and not the fuckers responsible for said horrors. You got a good eye on you. You're middle management material if I've ever seen it

/s

He wasn't saying you were wrong or arguing with you. He was adding on to your post.

what’s peak American is the fact you think you are better than the delivery driver

Eh

It's not you you. It's "you" the imaginary hypothetical American.

4 minutes is 2 miles.

You walk at a brisk pace!

It's not useful to look at a systemic problem and go "Well obviously those are just dumb bad no good individuals and nothing can be done".

Probably an “online convenience fee,” as if it’s more work to have an order print up at the restaurant than to make someone there take a phone call.

Your anecdote doesn't change anything I said, nor my opinion.

If anything you biased me against what you're trying to push with your lazy writing style, which is ironic given you criticize what you see as laziness in others.

It's not possible to live according to the morals of everyone else. They're mutually contradictory with each other for one thing lol. I'm at peace with the idea that other people won't always agree with me.

Second anon is an illuminati lizard person shill tryna get people to eat bugs.

What lazy? With autocorrect it actually takes loads of effort to get rid of capitalisation.

I'm not commenting on the content of the person's comments, but in terms of writing style I've always shared this person's aversion to capitalisation letters in (my own) casual communications. I don't know why, it's weird. Especially "I" as a personal pronoun. Who tf do I think I am? "i" will suffice for ones modest self.

It's just widely-agreed-upon conventions to make the text more readable.

Injecting your personal feelings about how English should be written into everything you write is way more selfish than capitalizing "I."

because they are mad at me for what i said, and don't have a legit reason to be so, so they make up stupid shit about capitalization and writing style.

when you can't attack the content of what was said, you go after the style.

because we know in debate club, the winning move to is talk about how your fellow debater doesn't dress as well as you, so therefore they are stupid and wrong. and totally avoid staying on topic or responding to their points.

Injecting your personal feelings about how English should be written into everything you write is way more selfish than capitalizing “I.”

right, so why are you doing that then? almost like you are directly contradicting yourself here... hmm

maybe because you're one of these folks and you are angry at being called out?

let me do you one better, I'll argue about how I'm the truly lazy and privileged one, because i walk tot he coffee shop, and therefore i am depriving a hard working doordasher of their income and selfish keeping the $5 delivery fee for the $3 coffee for myself, because I horrible no good able-bodied person who is flaunting my privileged by walking to the coffee shop rather ordering delivery. if i truly cared about the plight of the working-class, i'd be ordering as much doordash as possible to make sure my income goes direct to them, or something. blah blah i'm a massive prick because i have a higher income job and work from home and I am stealing that from someone else more deserving because of my skin color and penis, or something.

literally have had this argued at me before, btw. almost always by folks whose parents are multil millionaires, who consider themselves to be struggling proletariat in their hipster job that pays shit, but offering solidarity because they order doordash everyday, and hey you can just call up the bank of mom and dad and ask for $5000 when you can't make rent this month.

right, so why are you doing that then? almost like you are directly contradicting yourself here… hmm

It's not my personal feeling; as I said, it's the agreed upon rules that everyone else use that I also use to make communication between us all easier.

maybe because you’re one of these folks and you are angry at being called out?

I mean, I'm quite obviously someone who capitalizes "I" for reasons I have repeatedly stated, so I guess? I don't know why that computes as "anger" for you, but... okay!

let me do you one better, I’ll argue

Holy fuck you used a capitalized "I!" Guards!

It was cheaper and faster to doordash a restaurant quite literally across the street in college, I tested it a few times when my friends would go to buy food there and mine would come like 10 minutes before they got back. Literally across the street, like a 1 minute walk max.

taxes are almost never included in prices in the USA.

they are added on at the time of sale.

we do not have VAT. we have sales taxes. and those sales taxes are different in every city, and sometimes town/state.

and the items that are taxed are also different in every state, and sometimes city/town.

additionally some places have meal taxes, specifically for pre-made and restaurant food.

and many restaurants charge service fees now.

in my city, you would typically pay 7% tax, 2% fee, and 20% tip all added on top of the menu price.

which is why when I get a hamburger and a beer, and it's $30 on the menu, I actually pay $40 or more.

god i love the internet.

person makes 3rd person statement, then you reply with 3rd person statement, and they think you are personally attacking them.

but I live in a city where if you say you like chicken, some random person two tables away will like come over to your table and feel personally attacked and lecture you on what a horrible person you are for telling someone else, you like chicken. in real life, to your face. then they ask you if you support gaza and and you go 'what does that have to do with any of this' and they go 'ZIONIST SCUM!'

and you just wanted to eat some nice chicken and were expressing your joy of eating chicken to your friend, who also came there for the chicken. but you are both oppressing/harming people who don't like chicken by enjoying it or something.

That sounds insanely frustrating to deal with.

because people have no perspective on anything anymore let alone any connection to physical reality.

they just consumer hyperbolic nonsense on the internet and regurgitate it for the likes. and then like... then bring that shit into the real world. which is the scariest part.

and if you like try to converse with them, they just call you names and tell you how offensive you are if you like, cite a GDP PP number. Or they would clap back and be like the 7.5% growth rate in Ethopia last year compared to the USA 2% means ethopia is a economic paradise and americans should immigrate there.

systematic problems come from the choices of individuals.

if we all act like assholes being an asshole becomes systematic.

if you want to stop people from being assholes, you've got to start with yourself.

salt tastes good

I never had a hot delivery driver.

they should let you pay an extra fee for hot delivery drivers only. would def boost revenue.

it's not if you are used to it.

just like using imperial measurements.

i never agreed to any of your rules. weird.

They're not my rules. They're our rules. I didn't create English.

You and I both agree on the definition of "I," "never," "agreed," "to," "any," "of," "your," "rules," and "weird," otherwise you wouldn't have bothered typing that out. You knew I would understand what you wrote because we both form and express ideas with little characters known as "the Latin Alphabet" in specific permutations known as "English words" in specific permutations known as "English grammar."

Those are all rules. Your childish "Fuck the system! I communicate how I want!" is naive, impractical, and not a principle you actually follow or you would be typing complete gibberish non-language via Wingdings and everyone would ignore you accordingly. You've accepted that some may ignore you because you break some English rules, but you do agree to follow most of them.

In other words, you desperately want to pretend not to care about how effectively you communicate with others, potentially to virtue signal that position, but you don't actually believe that deep down. As they say, "larp larp larp sahur."