As a parent myself it's quite the dilemma :

• Will I risk to inflict minor side effets such as fever for a few days AND imaginary side effects like autism to my children ?
• Or should I put my kids in danger of dying or suffer brain dammage because I obviously know better than decades of research and use of the vaccine with my two degrees in french and english litterature.

Fuck life is hard

WOW TYLENOL CAN EDIT THE DNA IN YOUR GAMETOCYTES TO MAKE AUTISTIC KIDS WOW

I have received +3 Mental Damage from reading that first bit.

I think you forgot the /s

But, but, but...what about thew leukemia you get from those bad medicines???

As a parent, the bit dilema i face is different diagnostics by different doctors, or different treatments for the same one.

The dilemma I don't have is about vaccinations. They all agree vaccination is the right thing to do following the official schedule.

I'm sure you are not alone thinking this. :)

What side effects are you describing? Specific ones?

Living to old age.

Not really; or rather, they've been doing that since day 1. Both Mr. Worm-In-My-Brain and Mr. Orange Baby. In the age of governing through social media there's no such thing as consistency anymore.

Lord Dookie Diaper will be most displeased.

As someone experiencing that right now, I can tell you there are some rough patches.

Gotta be the latter. I think they're all looking at Grandpa and seeing how long he has left - and everyone, every one of them is eyeing that big chair.

There isn't even a way to prove that a random symptom that occurs in your body may be from a vaccine. There is absolutely no way to know where it came from.

Yes there is, sweetie. It's this thing called science.

Wish granted, kiddo.

Americans are weird.

And just like that...lawsuits throughout the land.

Lordy, I need to start using that line. Thank you.

This.

By all means, please list the supposed side effects. Are the side effects in the room with you right now?

That was kind of you to grant them an exit from the ratio-destroyed ignorance expressed in their comment. I'll be using this line - thank you.

A broken clock consistently says the same thing. He's not even a broken clock.

Which is it? Vaccines are bad or get vaccines? It depends on the wind, it seems.

The first phase was the "fuck around and find out"-phase.

Well, the fucked around and are probably in full damage control now

I am proud to say I never will accept the morally bankrupt hypocrisy of Republicans. Nice try trying to lie this into what Republicans are though, fascist.

Yes people like us don't accept Nazis and we're as proud of that as y'all are of hurting minority groups.

Are you a Republican? Would you ever consider voting for a Republican again? Did you vote for trump? Do you regret it?

Still haven't denied being a Republican. No one else here needs proof I know what a Nazi is because people here generally know. Since you don't, you can educate yourself vs trying to sealion me, which won't work anyhow.

Vaccines are not supposed to be reactionary, they are preperatory.

You support Republicans. Republicans are Nazis. This makes you a Nazi, the worst thing an American can be. Nice work totally turning this all around on me though, it totally worked! 😉

You tried to claim I was a homophobe (zero basis) and now you're pretending I have to prove you're a Nazi to even know what one is. Yeah man I'm totally the one here arguing in bad faith. If you weren't a Nazi you would be denouncing trump right now, but instead you have no problem with thousands of people knowing you voted for him and would do so again.

oopsies we made a tiny weeny mistake

Fucking rotten bastard. Someday he'll fucking be sitting in jail for mass murder.

He should be personally, criminally, liable for the deaths and suffering caused by his policies. So should leadership that supported him.

I'm among the most thoroughly vaccinated people around, after living in both SE Asia and South America. I'm also relatively well versed in statistics and am well aware that if your goal is to optimise for a good and healthy life, getting vaccinated is a no-brainier.

Finally, I think that if we want to convince people that are sceptical of vaccines to get them, or give them to their children, we should start by

1. Acknowledging that plenty of common vaccines have extremely rare, but nonetheless potentially severe side effects.
2. There is an actual ethical/philosophical dilemma that has been discussed for thousands of years regarding the morality of harm caused be action vs. inaction.

The dilemma that has shown up in countless philosophical debates throughout history is basically the trolley problem: "If you press this button, there's a 1/1000 chance that someone (e.g. your child) dies. If you don't, there's a 1/100 chance that they die." To me personally, the choice is easy (I press the button), but I recognise that people see this as a dilemma. There's plenty of research on how we humans tend to prefer inaction over actions that could cause damage, even when that choice is statistically unreasonable.

Based on this, I think the most productive way to engage with people that are sceptical of vaccines due to this very human mode of decision failure, is to engage with the philosophical question above, and trying to convince them that inaction (not taking the vaccine) is, in fact, also a choice that they are responsible for. I think brushing the dilemma off as trivial is a bit reductionist, considering that the trolley problem is one that has been so widely discussed through the ages (even though I personally think it's an easy choice).

Of course, if people are just blatantly ignoring or refuting established scientific results, there's not much you can do...

Didn't he already do this a year ago?

The numbers you're using are nowhere even close. You need to severely increase the ratio by 2 or 3 orders or magnitude.

Mortality rate for some diseases is close to 1 in 3 (measles in infants with co-morbodities) to 1 in 100.
With vaccines, we have changed that to 1 in 10k or better (with co-morbodities).

For the live virus polio vaccine, 3 out of a million kids would get polio DUE to the vaccine itself. That is peanuts compared to 50k kids (per million) who get polio despite the vaccine. That's also peanuts when we see that reported polio cases fell from 350k around 1990 to 30 around 2010 despite a huge increase in population.

I'm gonna steal this

Can't steal it if I give it to you <3 hehe

No he won't. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it, but I'm being realistic.

OMFG!!!11! THE DEEP STATE GOT TO HIM!!!

/s just in case...