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Rimu
piefed.social
rimu@piefed.socialJoined: 2024-01-04 |
AI scrapers have been hammering fediverse servers for years with things getting especially intense lately. Fediverse developers have been slow to respond with solutions so desperate instance admins have been bolting on Anubis which is fragile and really hard to configure in a way that doesn't break federation, mobile clients or web UI access. Anubis forces browsers to run some CPU-heavy javascript for a few seconds, increasing the cost to scrapers hopefully to the point where they go elsewhere instead. PieFed now includes that functionality as a core feature, not a separate container, proxy or process that needs to be set up. Just set the The amount of work a client needs to do can be tuned with the Early results are very promising and a 50% CPU and network reduction on the server is commonly seen. Clients that are not logged in will see a brief loading screen, once every 1000 days, before being taken to the post they were trying to view. I'm sure this isn't the end of this war but I've been enjoying a respite from it for the last week, long may it continue. (Image supplied by @dosdude@retrofed.com, thank you!) |
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EmilieEasie
fedinsfw.app
EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.appJoined: 2026-03-28 |
How timely, I just saw piefed.zip/lemmy.zip admins talking about this struggle |
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walden
wetshav.ing
walden@wetshav.ingJoined: 2025-08-14 |
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Vicinus
piefed.zip
Vicinus@piefed.zip Joined: 2025-10-21 |
This is great. Thanks for your work. Is there anyway this work can be easily adopted for other fediverse software? I know Writefreely is having a huge issue with bots (not necessarily scraping, though maybe that too), but I figure they could use all the help they can get. |
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Rimu
Moderator
rimu@piefed.socialJoined: 2024-01-04 |
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Let's continue our discussion in the chat. |
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Rimu
Moderator
rimu@piefed.socialJoined: 2024-01-04 |
This is great. Thanks for your work. Is there anyway this work can be easily adopted for other fediverse software? I know Writefreely is having a huge issue with bots (not necessarily scraping, though maybe that too), but I figure they could use all the help they can get.
We can all use all the help we can get ;) |
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comrademiao
piefed.social
comrademiao@piefed.social Joined: 2026-03-09 |
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What a name for an instance |
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Grail
multiverse.soulism.net
Grail@multiverse.soulism.netJoined: 2026-01-14 |
Logged out works exactly as advertised! Can't wait to see the graphs! |
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RobotToaster
mander.xyz
RobotToaster@mander.xyzJoined: 2023-09-13 |
How does this affect "legitimate" scrapers such as search engines? |
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Rimu
Moderator
rimu@piefed.socialJoined: 2024-01-04 |
How does this affect "legitimate" scrapers such as search engines?
I've added exceptions for them. |
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erebion
news.erebion.eu
erebion@news.erebion.eu Joined: 2025-11-20 |
I've enabled it and noticed my private instance loading much quicker, so that's neat. |
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Ek-Hou-Van-Braai
piefed.social
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.socialJoined: 2025-05-14 |
Wow what a difference |
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mesa
piefed.social
mesamunefire@piefed.socialJoined: 2024-12-27 |
Wow this is great! |
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AwesomeLowlander
sh.itjust.works
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-07-12 |
What a name for an instance
Just in case you think it's about something dirty, it's actually just about the practice of shaving your hair, beard or otherwise, with water or other lubricant instead of doing it dry. |
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walden
wetshav.ing
walden@wetshav.ingJoined: 2025-08-14 |
Let's continue our discussion in the chat.
Yeah, my bad. Don't know why I posted here! |
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comrademiao
piefed.social
comrademiao@piefed.social Joined: 2026-03-09 |
Just in case you think it's about something dirty, it's actually just about the practice of shaving your hair, beard or otherwise, with water or other lubricant instead of doing it dry.
Okay, that doesn’t make it less a weirdo choice for an instance name. Perhaps even weirder. |
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AwesomeLowlander
sh.itjust.works
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-07-12 |
Okay, that doesn’t make it less a weirdo choice for an instance name. Perhaps even weirder.
It's home of the c/wetshaving comm, which the admin mods. Personally I think it's nice to see the niche comms slowly showing up on the fediverse. |
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SapphironZA
sh.itjust.works
SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-02-24 |
If it can be detected reliably, can we use that detection to feed it poisened data. I read it does not take much poisen to invalidate large sets of training data? |
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Rimu
Moderator
rimu@piefed.socialJoined: 2024-01-04 |
If it can be detected reliably, can we use that detection to feed it poisened data. I read it does not take much poisen to invalidate large sets of training data?
I saw that someone on Mastodon tried that. It doesn't stop them they just scrape more and more until your server melts. |
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ColonelThirtyTwo
pawb.social
ColonelThirtyTwo@pawb.social Joined: 2024-05-21 |
If it can be detected reliably, can we use that detection to feed it poisened data. I read it does not take much poisen to invalidate large sets of training data?
I run iocane on my site to poison bots and yeah, scrapers just constantly grab it, to the point where I've exceeded my free vps bandwidth, so it's not free. Granted, I don't mind paying an extra dollar or two for the bandwidth, but my site is also extremely low use so... |
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SapphironZA
sh.itjust.works
SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-02-24 |
I saw that someone on Mastodon tried that. It doesn't stop them they just scrape more and more until your server melts.
Yeah, its not a solution to protect the server, but if enough people do it, it can start having a collective effect. Its difficult for small operations. |
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