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Tesla Robotaxi Mows Down Bollards & Keeps Driving, After “Impeccable” Record Touted on Stock Call
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AA5B lemmy.world AA5B@lemmy.world
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#52 · Quote Reply

I appreciate the clarification, but I doubt there will be a way for both scenarios to exist simultaneously; that is to say, I think any sufficiently common "exception" would result in self driving cars not being statistically safer than human drivers. It would have to be something sufficiently obscure, like, I dunno, going down a eastern-facing switchback road in the fog at sunrise. (Maybe too ...

making a self driving car feel safer

Without judging the effectiveness, Tesla has made great progress on this. If you read through recent FSD reviews you’ll see many claim things like “the car drives more confidently”

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inclementimmigrant lemmy.world inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-30
#53 · (edited) Quote Reply

Or maybe I can recognize nuance? Not once did I try to say Tesla was not at fault, only that there is no sign of anyone even arguing whether FSD disengaging immediately before a crash shifts blame. It does not, nor can I find any legal, regulatory, or actual news indicating that it ever did. There are plenty of real issues we should focus on rather than claiming something there is no evidence of

They clearly state they do that for safety and count it as engaged

Or maybe provide citations and proof of your claim instead of going off strawmanning on a different topic.

As for real issues, yeah we should focus on how we should never trust a for-profit corporation lead by a known liar to supply statistics on their own safety.

https://electrek.co/2026/05/28/tesla-fsd-safety-stats-misleading-reuters-investigation/

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AA5B lemmy.world AA5B@lemmy.world
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#54 · Quote Reply

They clearly state they do that for safety and count it as engaged Or maybe provide citations and proof of your claim instead of going off strawmanning on a different topic. As for real issues, yeah we should focus on how we should never trust a for-profit corporation lead by a known liar to supply statistics on their own safety. https://electrek.co/2026/05/28/tesla-fsd-safety-stats-misleading-...

I do not see anything about your contention there. Perhaps you could support that since my entire point was that is wrong.

And I used stronger language because if you wanted to claim FSD was unsafe you have all these well documented historical issues and do not need to spread the unsubstantiated claim that FSD disengages to shift blame

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AA5B lemmy.world AA5B@lemmy.world
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#55 · Quote Reply

They clearly state they do that for safety and count it as engaged Or maybe provide citations and proof of your claim instead of going off strawmanning on a different topic. As for real issues, yeah we should focus on how we should never trust a for-profit corporation lead by a known liar to supply statistics on their own safety. https://electrek.co/2026/05/28/tesla-fsd-safety-stats-misleading-...

By “strawmanning on a different topic.” perhaps you mean sticking to the original topic while you go off strawmanning on a different topic?

Teslas are programmed to turn off autopilot half a second before a crash so statistics can say “autopilot was off at the time of the crash”.

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inclementimmigrant lemmy.world inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
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#56 · (edited) Quote Reply

By “strawmanning on a different topic.” perhaps you mean sticking to the original topic while you go off strawmanning on a different topic? Teslas are programmed to turn off autopilot half a second before a crash so statistics can say “autopilot was off at the time of the crash”.

So OP provided a citation from the NSHTA report on how FSD disengages before a crash which has been in the news a lot when it first was revealed and I provided a journalistist investigation that found Tesla is potentially fudging their statistics with FSD.

Plenty of citations there to make a case.

Your turn to once again provide a citation to back up your case.

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AA5B lemmy.world AA5B@lemmy.world
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#57 · Quote Reply

So OP provided a citation from the NSHTA report on how FSD disengages before a crash which has been in the news a lot when it first was revealed and I provided a journalistist investigation that found Tesla is potentially fudging their statistics with FSD. Plenty of citations there to make a case. Your turn to once again provide a citation to back up your case.

This whole chain is a response to

Teslas are programmed to turn off autopilot half a second before a crash so statistics can say “autopilot was off at the time of the crash”.

And no one has anything to support that.

Please add a citation to support that before you insist on citations to support disagreeing with an unsupported claim

Note my previous response (accidentally responded to the nhtsa thing in the past with an edit)

Im not disagreeing that FSD can disengage just before a crash, just arguing that I’ve not seen them try to shift blame based on it and I remember reading somewhere that it’s intentional to try to mitigate the aftermath

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Initech_vs_Initrode lemmy.zip Initech_vs_Initrode@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-07-29
#58 · Quote Reply

I'd say any "bollard" you can drive over isn't a bollard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_bollard

"Traffic bollards" or "flexible bollards" seem to be the terms for this type of bollard. They're intended to guide traffic, rather than to stop it dead as a security measure.

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SaveTheTuaHawk lemmy.ca SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-03-07
#59 · Quote Reply

Just like any pedestrian… amirite?!?! /s

Jimmy Bollard

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inclementimmigrant lemmy.world inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
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#60 · (edited) Quote Reply

This whole chain is a response to Teslas are programmed to turn off autopilot half a second before a crash so statistics can say “autopilot was off at the time of the crash”. And no one has anything to support that. Please add a citation to support that before you insist on citations to support disagreeing with an unsupported claim Note my previous response (accidentally responded to the nhtsa ...

Done playing chess with a pigeon and you trying desperately to strawman.

Simply provide your citations for your original argument.

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Nocklusamigos lemmy.world liuther9@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-09-15
#61 · Quote Reply

If there are no consequences for lying, then why would they ever stop lying?

*every politician in the world

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