Every country that moves up the value ladder goes through that phase. First the British looked down on the Germans and the US, then the three of them on Japan, then on Korea and Taiwan, then China. Now I guess it's mostly Malaysia and Thailand; the 'Chinese = low tech' stigma is mostly a boomer thing.

Chinese manufacturers probably have it slightly easier because China itself is such a huge market, so most of their sales would be domestic. But I wonder if people from Shenzhen or Shanghai will look down at products made in, say, Hebei.

When I began reading your comment I thought you were just ignorant about manufacturing, but when I reached the last sentence I realised that you don't even know the difference between an artisan and an artist.

American liberals arent the problem. American liberal politicians are. Aka rich people.

No war but class war

American liberals are the problem, because they support liberal policies...

They either understand what liberalism is and does, and they are proudly evil, or they think liberalism means what liberals have been trying to convince everyone it means (equal and human rights for all), and they're misinformed.

Still the problem.

Only the majority?

Thank you for your service

I just puked a little.

What happened

The thing is that it’s going to be consumer “Amazon-grade” products that are like this. There’s tons of stuff made in China that goes unseen, from automotive electronics to power grid components that lasts for a good service life and may not fail until damaged by an outside problem.

"Amazon grade" made me laugh - though the reality is a bit closer to "Alibaba Roulette".

That too, but I’ve ordered from Aliexpress and other than the long shipping time I had to wait in order to cut out the Amazon middle man the product worked just fine and was as described. It appeared to be the same thing as what was being offered online elsewhere in the US. But yeah, it’s roulette. You never know if you’re actually going to get a decent product.

I'd say it's the opposite about Japan now. Especially about cars and electronics.

It's only a stigma here in the us. Across the rest of the world they know the newest chinese technologies are better than us made, every country in the world is stocking up on Chinese EVs except here.

Meanwhile "made in England" brings to mind only Richard Ayoade's fire extinguisher!

The whole 'made in China = shit' stereotype ended long ago, as even Tim Cook himself publicly stated in an interview.

Ignoring the fact that almost everything is made in China, meaning both high and poor quality products come from there, China still produces vastly more high quality products than any other country.

The relevant fragment of the interview with Tim Cook:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wacXUrONUY

It's funny how I'm both offended and agree with this 😂

The things that are made in Japan that are made well, are made to a standard that very few can touch. I'm thinking about a lot of vintage stereo equipment where the word "Japan" on it means instant purchase

Honestly... Yeah this is it.

Honestly I now associate Chinese product with interesting designs that offer a variety of not well thought out innovation and incredible high quality items alike.

Made in china just feels like it means experimental and with all the joys and pitfalls that includes.

China produces some high quality products, but they also seem to overlook sone really sleazy business practices. If you run into these it will taint your view of China.

Trump’s overextended the military and can’t do much more besides putting tariffs on allies soon.

Trump is in the process of destroying the military sure, but America still has the 1st second and 3rd largest Air forces in the world, we have more supercarriers than the rest of the world combined.

And the Nazis managed to do a lot of damage before they got stopped.

China is content to simply watch America destroy itself (and democracy around the world), China has always been good at the long game.

So on one hand, I have propagandists who I know have been lying to me for years.

On the other hand I have friends over to my house who occasionally talk about China, and say that while its not particularly amazing, its really not much worse than growing up poor and black in America (and we live in areas of America that aren't batshit).

I don't think China is some bastion of democracy, but I am increasingly skeptical when Capitalists tell me how awful China is supposed to be...and by "Awful" they mean that China might do the same shit that America does, except they actually arrest government officials who are too corrupt.

“made in china = crap” is 70’s era and later propaganda from soon to be failing american industries. anyone remember “made in taiwan roc” stamps on stuff?

Yeah, if you don't do any political activism, and you don't say things that are unapproved too loudly, and you don't end up at one of those slave labor (BYD) or corpo plants with the suicide netting, then you can certainly get by with the way things are.

But political activism and freedom of speech and the bill of rights is also how we make things better. Without those, and without people who fought for those, we wouldn't have "the weekend" as a concept.

And with how much efficiency has risen over the last hundred years, we should be able to do better than just the weekend.

Meeting and getting to know each and every American personally is an astounding achievement. Congrats!

Yeah, if you don’t do any political activism, and you don’t say things that are unapproved too loudly, and you don’t end up at one of those slave labor (BYD) or corpo plants with the suicide netting, then you can certainly get by with the way things are.

Is this America or is this propaganda about what China is supposed to be like?

But political activism and freedom of speech and the bill of rights is also how we make things better. Without those, and without people who fought for those, we wouldn’t have “the weekend” as a concept.

China also has the concept of the weekend...

And with how much efficiency has risen over the last hundred years, we should be able to do better than just the weekend.

But we live under capitalism, so the most likely result is that the weekend is going to only be for those born wealthy.

Isn’t the stereotype more about selling intentionally inferior products, not that it’s low tech?

Like using cheaper materials and then adding a weight to make it seem less cheap

I speak fluent Chinese and I rather live in US (or Taiwan).

The US has improved and also worsened in different ways the last 40 years that I'm here. (And I'm talking about being a Asian American.)

I've met many people that say the same as you, but so far no one has actually moved (back) to China.

But only partially. Nowadays, you can find expensive and luxurious high-quality products, complete e-waste, and everything in between. Somehow, Westerners still keep buying the e-waste, so that’s why Chinese companies keep supplying it.

Basic capitalism. As long as some idiot wants to buy trash, someone else will respond to that demand and profit while doing so. For many people price still matters way more than durability, quality and functions.

The stereotype used to be that Chinese products were of lower quality than Korean / Japanese / German equivalents. I don't think most people cared why, although one explanation I've heard is that China enforced a stricter QC than my country, so ones that fail inspection would be sent here. (Also many Chinese products were brought here through legally grey means, so there might simply have been no QC from our side.)

China used TikTok, a weapon they created, to promote Trump leading to the largest ever recorded shift towards conservatives among youth voters and the reversal of a decades long trend.

its literally 2 weeks ago when I was here.

I have to carry a stick just to keep pussy off me for a few minutes a day.

Ok, virgin

The USA had a program that protected millions from starvation until the Chinese and Russian supported Trump Admin cut USAID, now an estimated 4.5 Million Children are expected to die soon.