That is concerning, given that the actual religious folk's religion is based on an anectodal book, that means they can twist it to whatever suits them.

Like the prospherity gosspel. It is so easy to influence people.

I mean, that's what MAGA is doing, treating their own religion book as "communist propaganda".

I think it’s part of post-theism actually.
It’s nothing to be concerned about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-theism

Its includes things like atheism. Christian atheism and cultural Christians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Christians

There are similar branches in other religions, some have even be older then Roman Catholicism itself.

When statistically more than half of people who identify as Christian proclaim that experience is entirely personal. I am inclined to belief they are a part of this. All the religious people i know treat the bible just like any other historical book on traditional philosophy. They don’t go to church (outside special occasions), they aren’t followers of anyone but themselves. They are still considered Christians by themselves and those around them.

The pure definition of “Christianity” in a modern context seems to be nothing more then “having doubts that death will be the end of your conscious experience + some abstract feeling of the universe being an everlasting singularity”

Whether people do good or bad, is entirely up to the people.

To compare with communism. I very much oppose the ussr and ccpr, but that doesn’t mean das kapital by marx is a source of evil.

donating sperms to make offspring , sure

to make legion? it'not plausible , that is my point. Let's not talk about how to coerce incubated or non natural offspring to legion, fucking insanity.

"I'm against everything nazis stand for, but I still call myself a nazi."

How do you not see the problem with that? They are not innocent. There is no such thing as christ. There are no true christians. No one should pretend otherwise. They are not good people, they are lethal liars.

The irony is this "legion of children" will wish him dead, not only because they actively despise him but because they want his money.

Why is she afraid of death? She doesn't believe in heaven?

Does she pray compulsively for salvation? That's also not good.

the problem is, the one who talk this literally bs kinda have reputation to do the talk albeit with imperfection or even just the attempt itself. I mean the subject matter here.

I think it’s part of post-theism actually. It’s nothing to be concerned about.

It's literally what the bible says, and believers are killing people every day because THAT'S WHAT THE RELIGION IS ABOUT.

I don’t really know, she has never talked about it. i only know because my partner that the concept of death is the most scary thing to her. Not just herself but anyone she loves dying.

I believe she is agnostic to heaven or the idea of humans going there. I don’t even know if she believes in god, but definitely angels (which is according to my partner who she preys towards)

I think there is a Maria statue somewhere on the upper floor, i am not sure where that ties in.

I think the preyer is more of a contemplation, by asking the angels the right questions you get insight into your own thoughts. I compare it to meditation.

I personally meditate when i am overwhelmed, it’s very beneficial. Though it’s hard to turn into a regular habit.

What the bible says doesn’t matter to religious people who don’t follow that bible.

I think it’s because of your protestant cult upbringing, where the pastor’s bible was absolute truth. That’s a particularly conservative strand, one that denies the Vatican any interpretive authority. Its official role is to interpret a closed revelation, one that supposedly ended when the last apostle died, not to speak as God. Not a defence, just factual information.

I’ve told you before that I’ve read about 3 different bibles. Both the catholic school I went to and my atheist parents considered all of them bibles. But to the extremists you’re talking about, all 3 would be condemned as heretical socialist texts that aren’t the bible at all.

A minority doesn’t get to describe a majority. If we allow that, we lose what we stand for, because people who are malicious will always twist it to evil.

On your nazi argument, compare it with communism. The USSR and the CCP both claim to be socialist and both murder any countering voices. The truth is they aren’t communist, because they have a political class separate from the people.

Fascists have always done this. Embrace, extend, extinguish. With Christianity it started with the Romans, who took three centuries of history that had held no centralised or institutional power and narrowed it down. what was left was the version where the afterlife is a threat you hold over people. This is what most resembles “a death cult”, an institutional invention and not the original philosophy.
It’s one of the reasons I got interested in the non-roman branches that warned against scripture, though those have been coopted by evil figures plenty of times too.

The roman cult, and especially the protestant branches, have done an insane amount of harm to people over the years. Yet the original philosophies survived all of it, and in a modern context, mostly in Europe, they’ve turned into the non theological and personal forms of Christianity that exist today.

It’s still called Christianity because the original stories use Jesus as the character who is the example of good. A bit like a mask in Greek theatre that tells you what the character stands for.

A lot of the good ideas are still there, not just in bible interpretations but in how people actually experience morality. Helping those in need, showing compassion without judgement, finding some personal peace in a chaotic world. None of that needs an afterlife to work, which is sort of the point.

I prefer “spiritual” myself, but I can’t fault people who are surrounded by likeminded rational people who all call themselves Christians for labelling the extremist an outsider and the church old fashioned.

What really made the difference is that people can now compare translations and read the different materials themselves instead of getting one interpretation from one source.

Arsenic trioxide was known as 'inheritance powder' in the past for a reason.

“He is creating something that is causing real world effects with all of these inputs on X,” said the former Trump supporter, who also said she now regrets her former political activism. “I do believe that he is causing deliberate division that may be catastrophic if it’s not regulated or tamed, or if we don’t do our part in putting it down.”

This is straight from the article you never read

I think that may be the catch 22 that leaves us where we are, unfortunately

Yeah ... I'm like ... so he's fighting his children in this civil war ...?

Wow... This says a lot coming from you.

I've seen numerous conversations where you're the person being down voted and seemingly on the wrong side of things. I sometimes attribute it to you living up to the expectations of your display name.

I may not always agree with you, but today I've learned that you're at least a person that is able to be reasoned with.

Defending child abuse is not reasonable.

Meditation is swell. The danger is magical thinking. If she prays as sincerely as possible for things to get better, but they get worse, what does she think? That she has done something wrong?

Belief in angels is delusional. She thinks magical beings influence reality instead of taking the time to understand physical cause and effect.

A minority doesn’t get to describe a majority.

A majority of christians believe the bible, for fuck's sake. Stop pretending my situation is some kind of fluke. Stop running cover for literal death cultists, abusers. Stop choosing death.

Three-quarters of Christians say they believe the Bible is the word of God.

While about four-in-ten Christians (39%) say the Bible’s text is the word of God and should be taken literally, 36% say it should not be interpreted literally or express another or no opinion. A separate 18% of Christians view the Bible as a book written by men, not God.

They hide their stupid beliefs or they take the cowardly approach of trying to leave every possibility open instead of having consistent values.

In 2014, about four-in-ten Christians (42%) said reading the Bible or other religious materials is an essential part of what being Christian means to them personally. An additional 37% say reading the Bible is important but not essential to being a Christian, and 21% say reading the Bible is not an important part of their Christian identity.

So 79% think reading the bible is important. The bible is hate speech. Please stop defending it and the people who consult it for guidance.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/04/14/5-facts-on-how-americans-view-the-bible-and-other-religious-texts/

The USSR and the CCP both claim to be socialist and both murder any countering voices. The truth is they aren’t communist, because they have a political class separate from the people.

And you can see through their bullshit because of the evidence. Why can't you do that for christianity? How many tales of parents abusing their children per the bible's explicit instructions do you need to hear before you acknowledge it is a problem? Fuck you for throwing my life away, selfish coward.

what was left was the version where the afterlife is a threat you hold over people.

Again, HAVE YOU READ THE BIBLE? It has been a death cult since Genesis. Yahweh is an authoritarian death god. Christ is yahweh. Christianity is fascist.

It’s still called Christianity because the original stories use Jesus as the character who is the example of good.

This is the problem. Jesus is not good. It is not loving to demand complete submission under threat of eternal punishment. It is not loving to tell deadly lies.

I prefer “spiritual” myself

How selfish. Try using your brain. Magic isn't real. Souls and spirits are not real.

What really made the difference is that people can now compare translations and read the different materials themselves instead of getting one interpretation from one source.

In every translation, in every version, it's a fucking death cult.

Fuck you for choosing willful ignorance. Fuck you for choosing death for innocent people. The blood on your hands will never come off. The least you could do is stop fucking killing.

Nice to know that I am known for being wrong on Lemmy 😣

But I got my hands on Concerta, and would rather be the next Unidan someday.

I don't get where you get defending child abuse from.

Get some help, seriously.

Putting the blame on me when I asked my parents not to hit me. Assuming I'm not getting help. Pretending that my anger is unjustified or that my arguments don't hold up.

If my arguments don't hold up, argue back with evidence. Don't just attack me. I was abused because people normalize the mistreatment of children. No one is holding my parents or other abusers like them accountable. If you knew the suffering you are enabling, you wouldn't do it.

It's cool. I have never held any ill towards you. And honestly thought it was a bit at first. And honestly, the more recent stuff I've seen are challenges on differencing principles.

Hope the Concerta works for you.

Wait, you're still here?

Stop pretending that the 75% of humans who are ascribe to some form of religion are all part of a death cult and none of them worth defending when they are attacked with blind hate.

You are conflating these numbers.

Using your numbers

42% says its important to them personally to read a form of bible (but we cannot even agree on which texts counts towards the definition of bible, not even Christians agree on that)

37% says its important but not essential to read the bible

There is going to be very strong overlap here, you cannot add these numbers up. Of course it
would be weird to call yourself Christian and never touch any of there philosophical texts.

Only 39% (which is like the exact number of the protestant branch which yeah deserves pretty much all you are throwing out here)
Claims the philosophy is a written by a magical being.

Its a big number but may i remind you that post-theism branches that rejected for example genesis, existed since before Protestant existed, before the roman church was founded.

They are still flow from the same philosophical source. Which is a handful of philosophical myths that describe the same story but also don’t agree with each-other. (At least one of them believed Jesus was a the human son of Joseph)

My first comment to you was to clarify that the bible and Christianity are an entire umbrella of different works, beliefs and ideas. You cannot pick one and claim it speaks for all of them. Not even the church agrees on it.

Like i said i have read multiple but you would not consider them bibles because they do not glorify death in any shape or form. The one i found most influential did not even mention the afterlife. It was just about a cool guy being trying to do what was right.

I don’t believe in magical thinking, i dont ascribe to doctorine in any shape or form.
Whats is selfish about correctly Labeling meditation a form spiritually?

Is that a bad word now too? If this hate is directed at every word that has some vague link to historical dogma i have bad news. But this does feel like arguing sementics (which i admit to often get caught up with, but so do you)

I am not and have never defended a death cults, no one of the many people i know is in a death cult, and it certainly is not what the majority christians are about. Citing a bible that is not the one they read/believe in is not going to change that.

I don’t know. She really never talks about it.

I don’t think she believes the angels influence the earth. As far as i understand from my partner, she considers the evils of the current age to be very much man made and not something angels can influence. She very much understands cause and effect.

But preying to them does indicate an expectation they can guide one personaly, so I would call that influence again.

But like i said she is the only Christian i know to actually believe in something that literally magical, which we both know is a bunch of nonsense so i am not surprise the logic makes no sense.

Incredibly sweet and open minded woman though, i don’t think she is even capable of hate.

Bro, when I found out someone in our Discord server was in my home country, I personally went to the cops to report her parents, and got told I watch too much sci-fi and to bring more details next time, and was laughed out of the station.

Sometimes it is, because if people know you for dumb shit, might as well entertain them sometimes.

Why would someone who already denounces the church and the evils of institutional religion. But happens to have private contemplations of a spiritual nature, Denounce that personal experience also?

Because it's more honest, and the closer we get to the truth, the more lives we can save.

Nothing is "spiritual". Reframe the experience in reality. I promise you can keep all the benefits, just get rid of the needless risk.

Then why are you telling me to get help? It sounds like you understand how bad it is, how much abuse has been normalized, how victims are erased and abusers are protected. Everyone should be calling out Musk's shitty behavior, not attacking me for doing so.

Why comment if you have nothing to add?

Respond to my arguments or shut up. Why run defense for child abusers?

Stop pretending that the 75% of humans who are ascribe to some form of religion are all part of a death cult and none of them worth defending when they are attacked with blind hate.

IT'S NOT PRETENDING AND IT'S NOT BLIND.

READ THE GODDAM BIBLE.

IT IS A DEATH CULT.

FUCK YOU FOR LYING ABOUT THIS.

FUCK YOU FOR CHOOSING DEATH AGAIN AND AGAIN. USE YOUR GODDAM BRAIN, YOU SELFISH PIECE OF SHIT.

I was abused because you reject reality.

A song for you: https://snoopsqueak.com/videos/fys

Like i said i have read multiple but you would not consider them bibles because they do not glorify death in any shape or form.

Name them.

The one i found most influential did not even mention the afterlife. It was just about a cool guy being trying to do what was right.

BY LYING TO EVERYONE AND DEMANDING THEY JOIN HIS DEATH CULT. STOP SANEWASHING THIS.

I don’t believe in magical thinking

Evidently, you do, and as a result you are rejecting reality so you can preserve your deadly stupidity.

Whats is selfish about correctly Labeling meditation a form spiritually?

Because nothing is "spiritual". It's a bullshit word. Describe your experiences in the context of reality, please. By not doing so, you are normalizing magical thinking. You are enabling my parents and worse, all so you can feel Very Special.

You are very special. You don't need the bullshit. Grow the fuck up and take a stand for the truth, your cowardice is KILLING PEOPLE.

Is that a bad word now too?

It's a deadly mindset.

If this hate is directed at every word that has some vague link to historical dogma i have bad news.

STOP APPEALING TO POPULARITY. Just because many people have done it for a long time does not make it right.

And stop pretending I am the aggressor. I am defending real life against your fake, stupid bullshit.

I am not and have never defended a death cults

Liar, you've done it all throughout these comments and you're still doing it.

no one of the many people i know is in a death cult

Liar, every christian you know is.

and it certainly is not what the majority christians are about.

Liar, it's the definition of christ.

Citing a bible that is not the one they read/believe in is not going to change that.

The bible describes a death god, encourages everyone to join a death cult, and real people really believe it. What part of this are you not getting? STOP REJECTING EVIDENCE, YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT.

I don’t know. She really never talks about it.

Maybe you should ask. She might be crazier than you think.

I don’t think she believes the angels influence the earth.

Everything that exists influences everything else. If she believes angels exist, what is their purpose?

preying to them does indicate an expectation they can guide one personaly, so I would call that influence again.

Magical thinking.

she is the only Christian i know to actually believe in something that literally magical

Wrong. Every christian who believes in christ (which is all of them, it's in the fucking name) believes in magic.

we both know is a bunch of nonsense so i am not surprise the logic makes no sense.

How do you not see the danger in encouraging grown-ass adults to reject logic?

Incredibly sweet and open minded woman though

On the surface.

i don’t think she is even capable of hate.

You might say the same if you met my abusive mother because SHE believes she is a good person, because she believes a magic man in the sky loves her for abusing her kids.

Connect the fucking dots and stop defending death cults, you miserable coward, children are dying for your bullshit.

Here we go again.
Insulting me for having a nuance that you fail to understand. Calling me a liar while i have been nothing but honest

It is blind because you refuse to see the difference between a book writen by one philosopher in one time versus one writen by a different philosopher in another time.

There is no such thing as a singular bible. There is no such thing as a singular christian identity (which i am not part of)

You seem to believe that there and that it somehow has the “magic” to turn people evil but i will tell you all the evils are man made and burning books is not going to help you at all.

No i do not know the name of the book i read 22 years ago. Also its not in English.

You dont get to dictate what words mean, and if you try you will only find that everyone will stop listening to you.

You are setting yourself up to become an abuser.

How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom.

Hate begans hate. And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace.

I am not your enemy. I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend.

I dont care what people claim that they are good. I look at their actions. Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers..

Because at the smallest disagreement, you are lumping strangers into the same category as your former abusers, going off, and instantly accusing them of being pro-child abuse, creating endless enemies, and making your life harder.

This is caused by trauma.

You have done this repeatedly in more than one place. You are turning yourself into a meme needlessly.

Insulting me for having a nuance that you fail to understand. Calling me a liar while i have been nothing but honest

It's not nuanced, you're defending death cults.

You are lying, and I highlighted each lie.

Contrary to popular belief, lies do not require intent. If someone else told a lie and you repeat it earnestly, I'm still hearing a lie.

It is blind because you refuse to see the difference between a book writen by one philosopher in one time versus one writen by a different philosopher in another time.

It's not blind, because I see the text of the bible explicitly commanding abuse. You're pretending it doesn't exist, that it doesn't cause harm, while people are dying as a result of others' belief in it.

There is no such thing as a singular bible.

We are talking about christianity. The christian bible.

There is no such thing as a singular christian identity (which i am not part of)

It's in the name. They believe in christ, magical savior human sacrifice whom they must submit to if they want to avoid punishment.

You seem to believe that there and that it somehow has the “magic” to turn people evil but i will tell you all the evils are man made and burning books is not going to help you at all.

Read the bible and stop putting words in my mouth. I'd be happy if the damn thing had a "fiction" label, but many real human beings are pretending it is true.

No i do not know the name of the book i read 22 years ago. Also its not in English.

Useless, then. Focus on my points.

You dont get to dictate what words mean, and if you try you will only find that everyone will stop listening to you.

Neither do you. Think really hard about what "christianity" means, what "christ" is in context.

It's a death cult.

More delusional and hateful then the average religious person.

Your point is that some interpretations of the bible which is not at all the interpretation of modern christians somehow speaks for them.

You want me to adress your point but you habe yet to provide a single coherent point except “old book = bad”

Christ is the character central to the philosophy. Thats pretty obvious.

The gnostics are against god but christ is still their main guy.

You are setting yourself up to become an abuser.

Fuck you for victim blaming. There's a reason I chose not to have kids. I did not choose to be abused.

Reminder: I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED against my will. What kind of person do you think that produces?

I can be kind, but you have consistently rejected reality to defend the exact same ideas that ruined my life. Stop being selfish and start listening to reason, for fuck's sake.

How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom.

My "hate" is a response to their hate. Stop falling for DARVO, they are killing us.

Hate begans hate.

You mean "begets". Christians hate and call it love. I was abused because fuckshits like you refuse to look beneath the surface.

And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace.

I am trying to find peace. You won't let me. You're saying we should all sit back and let ourselves be slaughtered. Fuck that.

I am not your enemy.

You are, evidently. You've consistently chosen death instead of life.

I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend.

And I've been lied to before. Saying things doesn't make them true. Liars aren't my friends.

I dont care what people claim that they are good.

But that's exactly what you're doing.

I look at their actions.

Look at your own actions, in context. You know I was abused because people believe the bible, yet you're telling me I'm wrong for criticizing the death cult that hurt me and is hurting us all right now.

It's why I call you stupid. You are not applying reason.

Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers..

Compassion is my default, but you lost that when you defended abusers. I'm still waiting for you to stop doing that, yet you continue choosing death for all.

I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED

Yeah its rather obvious from the way you view things that it still hasnt worn out.

I don’t blame you but its true.

Because at the smallest disagreement, you are lumping strangers into the same category as your former abusers, going off, and instantly accusing them of being pro-child abuse, creating endless enemies, and making your life harder.

Disagreement with reality is the problem. Stop pretending it's personal. I didn't choose my abuse. My parents chose to accept claims without evidence and chose to harm their children as a result.

Did you watch my video about my little brother getting arrested for threatening mass violence? It's not just me. He called it a "christ-damned promise."

This is caused by trauma.

Don't use my trauma to deflect valid criticism, shitbag. All that does is enable this same trauma to happen to others, which is exactly what I am trying to prevent.

You have done this repeatedly in more than one place. You are turning yourself into a meme needlessly.

It's not needless. I need more people to be more reasonable. Otherwise, life is not worth living. We are being slaughtered and you're telling me not to fight back.

Get out.

More delusional and hateful then the average religious person.

Mr. Spiritual thinks I'm delusional.

MAGIC ISN'T REAL, DUMB FUCK.

I hate abusers, as everyone should. Stop defending them.

I am not delusional. There is evidence for my claims, but you keep rejecting it because you're a lazy, selfish coward. Think harder. Look closer.

Your point is that some interpretations of the bible which is not at all the interpretation of modern christians somehow speaks for them.

No, my point is that every version of the bible explicitly instructs abuse, and many adults believe that.

The ones who try to find a nicer "interpretation" are still directly enabling the others. Magical thinking is deadly.

You want me to adress your point but you habe yet to provide a single coherent point except “old book = bad”

HAVE YOU READ IT? Do you think slave rape is good? God does, therefore christ does.

Christ is the character central to the philosophy.

That's the problem. What is "christ"? According to the bible you keep ignoring, the one most people believe, christ is the human incarnation of an abusive god that we should all submit to.

The gnostics are against god but christ is still their main guy.

That's really fucking stupid. "Christ" is rooted in god. We can talk about Jesus instead, but he's also a piece of shit because he told deadly lies.

Please use your brain and stop outsourcing your thinking. Examine the foundations more closely, look beneath the labels.

All I've been asking this whole time is:

Please stop defending my abusers.

More children are being violently brainwashed every day, and you are defending their abusers, too.

I wouldn't do this if it was just about me.

Please think.

I have some videos on my YouTube channel where I read some bible chapters. Maybe you should take a look. It's worse than you think. I plan on making more.

MAGIC ISN'T REAL,

Who are you arguing against?

Are these believes of magic in the room with us right now?

spiritualily is not religion nor is it magic, its simply a human experience. Meditation is an example.

Stop acting like an abuser so i can stop feeling that you need someone to defend you.

Think harder about what? Some dogmatic scripture you call the bible?

Lets see i think god is absolute evil just from jacobs story alone.

I also think authority or one human holding power over another is evil.

Do you think i think slave rape is good? Think harder. Use your brain.

Good to know you take specific offence to christ over Jesus. I already mentioned I suspected we where arguing sementics. I’ll say Jesus instead which is what i would usualy name the character. I only used Christ because you used it and i try to use the same terms to avoid confusion.

Quote me the line where i defend your abusers.

I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy.

Look, most people here hate Elon Musk same as you, most do not support child abuse, you are being needlessly inflammatory and turning away allies.

Who are you arguing against?

You, slimy dipshit.

Are these believes of magic in the room with us right now?

You, "spiritual" dumbass.

spiritualily is not religion nor is it magic, its simply a human experience.

It's the misrepresentation of human experience. Spirits aren't real.

Meditation is an example.

Meditation is a thought exercise. It's a mental activity, not a magical one.

Stop acting like an abuser so i can stop feeling that you need someone to defend you.

Stop defending death cults, dumb shit. You'll get more like me.

Think harder about what? Some dogmatic scripture you call the bible?

YES. THE ONE CHRISTIAN FAITH IS BASED ON.

Lets see i think god is absolute evil just from jacobs story alone.

Then you understand why christ is an abusive concept.

I also think authority or one human holding power over another is evil.

Then stop defending fascism.

Do you think i think slave rape is good?

Yes, since you think christianity is acceptable amd christianity begins with slave rape.

Do you know why they're called abrahamic faiths? Because abraham was one of god's first chosen people.

Do you know how Abraham conceived his child, a line that supposedly led to Jesus?

It was slave rape, explicitly condoned by god.

Good to know you take specific offence to christ over Jesus. I already mentioned I suspected we where arguing sementics. I’ll say Jesus instead which is what i would usualy name the character. I only used Christ because you used it and i try to use the same terms to avoid confusion.

Right, that's why CHRISTIANITY is a death cult.

For fuck's sake.

I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy.

But I do need to tell you that christ was yahweh, and that christians believe Jesus was christ.

This is why it is bad from the ground up.

Look at this comment thread.

Gif shows Musk neglecting his child.

Commenter defends child abuse.

I call them out for it.

I get showered in downvotes and denial, enabling more child abuse.

I'm not inflammatory. I didn't start this.

And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria.

The interpretation i have heard about Jesus being god is that the chism was specifically to denounce the god of genesis. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained.

The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge.

Spirituality isn’t magic your just arguing sementics of terminology you arent mature/sober enough to understand

It has nothing to do with spirits in a modern psychological context

YES. THE ONE CHRISTIAN FAITH IS BASED ON.

Depending on which cult thats somewhere between 27 and 80 completely different books.

Your argument is a cherry picked needle in a haystack but go on smart ass i have detached myself from feeling sympathy and am curiouss.

Explain to me, what the concept of “christ” is.

After you are done think about who told you that/gave you the book that explained it and thinking about wether they where a good person/teacher.