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FleetwoodLinux lemmy.zip FleetwoodLinux@lemmy.zip
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#52 · Quote Reply

I'm sure they have proof that happened. I'm sure of it.

Oh yes they should 100% totally point us to where they got doxxed that makes so much sense, it definitely wouldn't lead to more problems for them

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Alex lemmy.ml stsquad@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-06-09
#53 · Quote Reply

Can you give an example of a poorly sourced article that is not flagged as insufficiently sourced?

I mean it straight up asserts Tianamin square was a CIA backed riot that was justly put down by the authorities.

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Cowbee [he/they] lemmy.ml Cowbee@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-12-31
#54 · Quote Reply

I mean it straight up asserts Tianamin square was a CIA backed riot that was justly put down by the authorities.

Tian'anmen square is a famous historic site, not an event. If you mean the June 4th incident, Operation Yellowbird is documented on Wikipedia itself and affirms CIA involvement. Looking at prolewiki, the page on the 1989 Tian'anmen Square riots has 33 sources listed, with sources ranging from western outlets like BBC and CBS, to scholarly sources, to wikileaks. The analysis that this was a counter-revolution, and therefore the socialists were correct in putting a stop to it rather than letting it overturn socialism, is based on the information that I believe to be well-rounded and well-sourced.

Do you disagree with the sources, or with the Marxist analysis provided based on the sources? If it's the former, what sources should be added? If it's the latter, then that brings us to back to my claim that the bias is better to be open and honest, rather than hidden, and that the basic facts are still solid and real.

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BrainInABox lemmy.ml BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-12-11
#55 · Quote Reply

I mean it straight up asserts Tianamin square was a CIA backed riot that was justly put down by the authorities.

And that's what it comes down to: nothing to do with it being poorly sourced, just that you disagree with it

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BrainInABox lemmy.ml BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-12-11
#56 · Quote Reply

in my case, you’ll be doxed, but you can do it. That happened.

It did, yes.

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BrainInABox lemmy.ml BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-12-11
#57 · Quote Reply

The irony of posting a link to prolewiki which very much doesn't attempt a NPOV.

Neither does Wikipedia, at least prolewiki doesn't lie about it

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BrainInABox lemmy.ml BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-12-11
#58 · Quote Reply

fine, replace "it" with "the community" if the impersonal subject confuses you.

Well the community sure as hell doesn't try to be better; if anything they work hard to entrench these problems as hard as possible.

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BrainInABox lemmy.ml BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-12-11
#59 · Quote Reply

So, why don't you write those pages OP?

People have tried it repeatedly. They get nuked instantly. It's fucking telling that Wikipedia defending liberals never actually have any idea how Wikipedia works.

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Goodlucksil lemmy.dbzer0.com Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-08-15
#60 · Quote Reply

Because a Zionist will come in and undo those changes. I tried.

With no evidence, you may as well be lying.

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RiverRock lemmy.ml RiverRock@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2025-11-23
#61 · (edited) Quote Reply

I mean it straight up asserts Tianamin square was a CIA backed riot that was justly put down by the authorities.

"I mean it straight up asserts something that contradicts what the authority figures in my life told me as a child, so obviously that means it's wrong"

-You talking about Prolewiki or any Mormon talking about a biology textbook

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Feathercrown lemmy.world Feathercrown@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-06
#62 · (edited) Quote Reply

Read Nikola Tesla page in Serbian and Croatian. It's not political per se, but it's really funny.

Me omw to learn serbian and croatian

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IndustryStandard lemmy.world IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-01-18
#63 · Quote Reply

With no evidence, you may as well be lying.

No worries you would not trust anything if it was not published by Reuters.

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Feathercrown lemmy.world Feathercrown@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-06
#64 · Quote Reply

The dog can easily be interpreted as wikipedia, preventing edits. You scored an own goal.

It doesn't count as an own goal if you have to use a fringe interpretation to reverse the meaning lol

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sad_detective_man sopuli.xyz sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2024-11-24
#65 · (edited) Quote Reply

It doesn't count as an own goal if you have to use a fringe interpretation to reverse the meaning lol

No, in this place that's totally valid. This is like the discourse equivalent of Appalachia inbred bloodlines

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pineapple lemmy.ml pineapple@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-11-06
#66 · (edited) Quote Reply

This is possibly one of the best examples I've seen so far.

elections in china (wikipedia)

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pineapple lemmy.ml pineapple@lemmy.ml
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#67 · Quote Reply

So, why don't you write those pages OP?

People do edits to prole wiki

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leg leminal.space leg@leminal.space
Joined: 2026-07-13
#68 · Quote Reply

With no evidence, you may as well be lying.

He who controls the flow of information controls the "truth". This is an abusable lever of power. If someone is being silenced, they can effortlessly be branded as a liar, because the arbiters of truth leave no lies behind. Welcome to the game.

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PsycyTuna feddit.nl PsycyTuna@feddit.nl
Joined: 2025-12-17
#69 · Quote Reply

Interessing >-> Well i guess i gotta make one when i have some free time, i wonder how fast it will get nuked Edit: at least we have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-communist_mass_killings

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ThirdConsul lemmy.zip ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-01-03
#70 · Quote Reply

People do edits to prole wiki

Nothing on annexation of Bhutan. It's failing the same damn test as wikipedia.

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ThirdConsul lemmy.zip ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip
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#71 · Quote Reply

He who controls the flow of information controls the "truth". This is an abusable lever of power. If someone is being silenced, they can effortlessly be branded as a liar, because the arbiters of truth leave no lies behind. Welcome to the game.

Take screenshots. Use Internet Archive to prove it. There are so many options that would convince people that at least you tried, that it's crazy.

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Goodlucksil lemmy.dbzer0.com Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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#72 · Quote Reply

No worries you would not trust anything if it was not published by Reuters.

I am asking for evidence that you tried to write an article (or insert anti-zionist content in one) and got it reverted. (I should have worded the original request better)

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Goodlucksil lemmy.dbzer0.com Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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#73 · Quote Reply

Take screenshots. Use Internet Archive to prove it. There are so many options that would convince people that at least you tried, that it's crazy.

Also, it's not like Wikipedia deletes absolutely everything of an account because it's blocked. If a page is deleted, the delete logs are there (iirc they can't be modified).
If content from a page is there, attribution requires the page history to be always present.

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IndustryStandard lemmy.world IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-01-18
#74 · Quote Reply

I am asking for evidence that you tried to write an article (or insert anti-zionist content in one) and got it reverted. (I should have worded the original request better)

Wikipedia logs IP and accounts so you will not receive that evidence.

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Goodlucksil lemmy.dbzer0.com Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-08-15
#75 · Quote Reply

Wikipedia logs IP and accounts so you will not receive that evidence.

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BanMeFromPosting lemmy.ml BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2026-08-16
#76 · (edited) Quote Reply

I mean it straight up asserts Tianamin square was a CIA backed riot that was justly put down by the authorities.

Which it was. Do you not look into things before talking about them? You also say it "asserts" it, as if it doesn't source the claims made.
You seem to be conflating "not reinforcing my worldview" with "being wrong and unfounded"

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BanMeFromPosting lemmy.ml BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml
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#77 · Quote Reply

The irony of posting a link to prolewiki which very much doesn't attempt a NPOV.

The irony of not understanding that objectivity is not possible when describing events, while being subjective in your critique yourself.
Prolewiki is precisely as biased as Wikipedia, it just admits it, which is preferable since it is easier to be aware of your bias if you actually take it into account.

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BanMeFromPosting lemmy.ml BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2026-08-16
#78 · Quote Reply

Noo Wikipedia definitely does not have any systemic issues. Its not like its full of Nazis or zionist or power users. Oh wait all three of those are common "human interest" stories about the site.

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RiverRock lemmy.ml RiverRock@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2025-11-23
#79 · Quote Reply

(Your post got removed but mine didn't. Somehow the hivemind missed that I was agreeing with you)

The hivemind

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RiverRock lemmy.ml RiverRock@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2025-11-23
#80 · (edited) Quote Reply

The irony of posting a link to prolewiki which very much doesn't attempt a NPOV.

There is no such thing as a neutral point of view, if you have a brain capable of holding a point of view then you have a body that biases you towards your own survival, comfort and social connections.

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Labor Class lemmy.world lithiumground@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-02-06
#81 · Quote Reply

You can't stay neutral on a moving train, and there's no such thing as neutrality in a world based on class struggle and class divisions. Prolewiki is openly a pro-worker site, and wikipedia claims neutrality but in the practice is pro capitalist-imperialist. One is open and honest about its bias, the other is not.

Prolewiki is openly a pro-worker site, and wikipedia claims neutrality but in the practice is pro capitalist-imperialist. One is open and honest about its bias, the other is not.

Yes, something should be pro-labor class

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RiverRock lemmy.ml RiverRock@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2025-11-23
#82 · Quote Reply

I'm generalising. You may not be guilty of this, but your average western liberal is. See, for example, other comments in this thread. But it tries to be better one edit at a time. You're attaching a spiritual quality to an inanimate thing. Wikipedia doesn't "try" to be anything.

In fact, it often gets worse one edit at a time

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RiverRock lemmy.ml RiverRock@lemmy.ml
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#83 · Quote Reply

fine, replace "it" with "the community" if the impersonal subject confuses you.

confuses you

Go fuck yourself

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sad_detective_man sopuli.xyz sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2024-11-24
#84 · Quote Reply

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RiverRock lemmy.ml RiverRock@lemmy.ml
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#85 · (edited) Quote Reply

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"Everyone capable of debunking my half-baked ideas about the world is an inhuman machine so I don't need to think about what they say."

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Eugene V. Debs' Ghost lemmy.dbzer0.com eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-10-10
#86 · Quote Reply

I mean it straight up asserts Tianamin square was a CIA backed riot that was justly put down by the authorities.

They claim anything bad China does is a CIA plot, fuck sources.

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Eugene V. Debs' Ghost lemmy.dbzer0.com eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-10-10
#87 · Quote Reply

Take screenshots. Use Internet Archive to prove it. There are so many options that would convince people that at least you tried, that it's crazy.

How dare you expect them to have sources and proof!

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Eugene V. Debs' Ghost lemmy.dbzer0.com eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-10-10
#88 · Quote Reply

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It's funny how calling them out gets removed/banned but they aren't a echo chamber hivemind.

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Eugene V. Debs' Ghost lemmy.dbzer0.com eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-10-10
#89 · Quote Reply

Campists always do this. They find one source, reference, leader etc that is problematic, even if they have to stretch reality to do so, even if they are a minor participant, and use it to dismiss everything they disagree with

It's really telling that this got downvoted here. I'm amazed they didn't remove it, ban it, then snark on hexbear.

Facts are CIA propaganda, I guess?

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BrainInABox lemmy.ml BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-12-11
#90 · Quote Reply

It's really telling that this got downvoted here. I'm amazed they didn't remove it, ban it, then snark on hexbear. Facts are CIA propaganda, I guess?

Zionist propaganda is "facts" now apparently, according to our resident "anarchists"

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Lemmy.ml Admin Bot Bot lemmy_ml_admin_bot@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2026-10-07
#91 · Quote Reply

That’s silly - it’s very much the work of humans with all the challenges that entails. Those humans specifically being, pro-western-imperialist white males.. Any other voices or viewpoints are silenced.

here

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