I'm tired and had a bit to drink so I won't be super in depth here and I apologize for that but I will explain my reasoning as simply as possible.

The 2022 and previous state of NATO member nations economic relationship with Russia was one of opportunism and convenience that does not reflect their long term strategic goals in the region.

Ukraine declared neutrality on the matter because it knew joining NATO would lead to it being invaded. This changed after the highly western backed and financed Maiden "revolution". This occured concurrently with the Russian invasion of Crimea and it is arguable that both influenced each other in turn. Russia recognized the changing political tides towards western powers in Ukraine and responded to it while Ukrainian nationalism swelled in response to Russian invasion.
None of these events were beneficial to the working people of Ukraine.

Edit: you can disagree with my reasoning here and I'd kinda understand, I don't expect to convince you, but at least I am consistent.

completely out cast from the Cosmopolitan world.

Lmao what a delusional eurocentric take. "The Cosmopolitan world" somehow consists of the US and parts of Europe. Alright bud. Whatever shall the Russians do, now that they can only trade with most of the world? Im sure they're crying over the lack of paperwork, while they have to settle for trading with China, India, well- really all of Asia.

Really I should have said this

It may be dangerous to be America's enemy but it is deadly to be their ally

- Henry Kissinger (paraphrased)

In a way. But Russia is a lot more willing to spill blood.

They're regularly having weeks as bad as 9/11 and they're just not all that notable.

If it came down to both countries fighting for their lives like WWII, then yeah, the 20x would be accurate.

Certainly much of the immediate death is at the hands of the Russian ruling class but to claim this happened in isolation of broader geopolitical forces because Russia just does that is infantile and chauvinistic. This is my issue with the meme. Atlanticist nations are active participants in this war and it is not even their workers dying for it. It is Ukrainian workers dying for Atlanticist goals. Imperialist war is a disgusting awful thing where workers are forced to die for the interests of their oppressors but at least the Russians are dying for Russia. Even if Ukraine miraculously "wins" this war there will not be a free Ukraine. Their rulers owe the west too much. This is a war over ownership of Ukrainian resources and labor power, nothing more.

To claim that Russia is an instinctual aggressor and Atlanticist powers are a benevolent allies of Ukraine is nakedly propagandistic.

as the little palestine fish gets dp'd by iran and qatar but is loving it and they get more food and reconstruction aid from the UN fish than anyone else per fish egg but they use iti to build tunnels

and not for shelter of the eggs. thus cursing the eggs to an untimely death by using their homes as human shields

i guess that the sad part of the cartoon

You vastly underestimate how poor a bunch of Russians are, the poor class often stays behind when a crisis hits. While the middle and upper classes use their wealth and connections to jump the boat.

Most refugees were relative to their country, not poor.

It is not like they do it of the goodness of their hearts. It is just a strategic decision for them (that might be what the comic also implies anyways...) We have seen how much they responded against Israel. Some like Germany infact went the other way.

Humans have fingers. That's like 5.1 surround penis

Oh look a zionazi.

Stays behind when crisis hit? The crisis is of their own doing. Russia is a rotten country and a rotten culture that has no one else to blame.

I generally don't like destructive change like revolution but Russians will never recover, never. The culture is so far gone and so broken and so passive that the best thing that could happen to an average russian is complete dissolution of the entire Russian project into independent smaller states.

What's with this weird orientalism going on? Talking about Russians like youre some 18th century phrenologist detailing how the Savage hun can withstand harsher climates than the genteel anglo-saxon.

They’re regularly having weeks as bad as 9/11 and they’re just not all that notable.

More than a 9/11 died from covid in the US every week and nobody gave a shit. There's a shitton of carcrashes, and no one gives a shit. Britain is full of people starving and no one gives a shit. Long term COVID is crippling the population everywhere and no one gives a shit.
The US had a bunch of grunts perish in Operation Epstein Fury, and all it led to was some coverups and no one gives a shit.
This isn't because the "mind of the mob" is cowed or bred or somehow different from the rest of us. Its because of material conditions. Russia has a lot of military casualties and soldiers on, not because "the Russian mind" or whatever other idealistic dumbassery people in this thread will pull out of their ass, but because of complex political, social, cultural and material structures.

I generally don’t like destructive change like revolution but Russians will never recover, never. The culture is so far gone and so broken and so passive that the best thing that could happen to an average russian is complete dissolution of the entire Russian project into independent smaller states.

What a simplistic and reductive worldview. You would do well as an orientalist professor at Oxford in the 1800's. You should look into phrenology.

All you're saying here could be said about most nations, as I exemplified with Britain.

I wish I lived in the world you insane right-wing freaks make up.

Tragi-comic. Its english too.

Russia’s economy is smaller than California’s, yet we still pretend that they’re a massive threat so that we can continue buying aircraft carriers. Graphic should have USA fish about 10x bigger than Russia fish.

The problem is that California uses US weapons that costs magnitudes more for at best marginal improvements over weapons used by both Russia and Ukraine that cost less than vodka by weight, and which US cannot feasibly produce for less than 10X price, so it kind of levels out. Throwing money at Ukraine to produce them is smart, but there's only so many they can make.

Do you like fishsticks?

Have wondered about those, not sure how hard it would be to connect to the whole house. A single ring I could probably do quite easily. Think you need proper sockets/plugs to do it safely rather than the technically works but you may die if you touch the pin kinda cable. Then just flip the circuit breaker to remove that ring from the grid.

But that wouldn't cover cooking or my heat pump. Not sure if that could properly be done as a DIY job.

Though doing 1 ring from the battery would make it pretty easy to measure my non cooking/heating energy usage. Suppose lighting is separate but that should be all LEDs anyway.

Ukrainian here, glad someone understands. Russia is still the threat, and a very real threat to the whole Europe. No European country is ready for the war of drones - neither on the frontlines vs FPV (which we see repeatedly in European-Ukrainian trainings) and in the air vs reactive jet shaheds.

Like ffs just count the amount of antiair rockets you have in your country and check out the history of russian aerial attacks on Ukrainian cities. Its 200-300 shaheds every second day. Would your stocks last a week? Okay, two? USA is learning this in Iran, but they are on the other side of the world so they can take the L and move on.

Get ready for others also sucking off Russia soon if the AfD victory is indication of anything.

130M of obedient slaves

Just open, Nazi tier racism. But the shitlibs here will upvote it anyway because they're just as racist as the worst MAGA chud, so long as it's against the right target

Both. Its both

I was wondering why you got so heated about a pretty banal comment, then I saw the .ml lol.

Russia sucks dick, the USSR was kinda cool, but its dead and a bunch of oligarchs are living in its corpse. Why are you dick riding a bunch of corpse beetles?

I generally react quite negatively to racism, and I'm happy to hear the instance I frequent has a reputation for doing the same. Cant imagine being proud about ignoring racism.

You would have supported the invasion of Iraq in the 00's. Or operation Barbarossa if you lived back then. You see calling out racist drivel as somehow being supportive of a country. Not reducing complex geopolitics down to childish notions of "they're just evil!" is somehow the same as driving a tank into Kiev. It is with the mentality you display that we saw people take up arms in WWI under the notion that they'd be home before Christmas - after all, it was just the dastardly hun that needed a darn good thrashing.

I really hope Europe gets off its ass and both assists Ukraine more, and partners with it for defense technologies. By raw GDP even many of the Euro fish would as big or bigger than the Russian one but we have an MIC that's almost as bloated and corrupt as the US one. We need to get more efficient with our spending and I expect partnering with Ukraine is the only realistic way for that to happen.

I mean, those are all countries from which they have stolen land in the last 30 years. Add to that the proven interference in Moldavian, Romanian, American and French politics and probably others that I don't know about. Kazahstan, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Japan have land disputes with them... yes, discount all of that by calling me a racist. xD

Are you simple-minded? Do you struggle to read? Which of these is the correct answer to the question of "how can you manage to think I said Russia does not interfere in elections?"

I think you are a run-of-the-mill western chauvinist, inundated by the racist propaganda that floats around on mainstream media. I think this because of your childish, simplistic reasoning for the actions of Russia and your sad attempt at a historical analysis with a conclusion so reductive it would make Franz Halder ask you to take the russians more seriously.

One could literally do the same spiel you did for every colonial power. Yet I somehow doubt that you'd make pseudo-intellectual musings about France based on the nations long and proud colonial history or its current-day imperial actions in Mali or control over the financial policy of a dozen foreign nations. For some reason I doubt that you'd reduce the United States bloody history in South America to "Trump bad" or "the American genetics are just made to be evil, just look at their history!"
Somehow I have a feeling you'd cry about nuance if one were to imply that all dastardly things done by the brits are due to their current leader or some inherent quality (and if you dont believe me, just look at their history! They love war! They even sent Boris Johnson to Ukraine to have him talk them out of a peace treaty!)
If these were the countries being discussed, then I have a feeling you wouldnt be so bold with generalising statements based on a lacking historical "analysis".

The racism is not you pointing to something Russia did. The racism is you acting as if the thing happening is uniquely and inherently Russian

I like putting them in my mouth.

-Donald Teump and Kanye West

The two forms of liberal analysis. If it's not Great Man Theory, then it's declaring a whole people to be inherently evil.

Right, so do the exact same spiel for all the other powers and I'll agree with you. Because yes, they're all doing it. But that includes your precious russia and china. I'm sorry...Never said russia's the only bad guy out there...And most people around here will also agree...but when it comes to russia and china there's suddenly a bunch of "but what about!" And "LUL libtard!"...

Do you seriously not see the hypocrisy? But yeah, go on, keep insulting me while explaining the continuous imperialistic aggression. Everyone's hysterical except russia. They're bombing for freedom, they're special...NATO made them!!!
I'm the chauvinist for hating all imperialists whereas you only hate the western variety. Maybe read the definition of the words your using before going out and using them against people.

Its still 50/50 which of the two options it is. This response really did nothing to clear it up. Due to the lack of spelling errors, and the fact you completely failed to engage with my argue, I'm going to pick simple-minded. I even took the time to give you a neat little summation at the end, and you still fucked up.

Then again you continue to argue against statements I haven't made, so thats a count for "can't read."

Maybe ask a trusted adult or a chatbot for help with parsing the text so you can actually respond to what I'm saying instead of whatever this is.

I literally said in my original comment that blaming it all on putin is silly and have made no comments about race. So yeah, nothing more for me to respond to. You continue to insult without actually saying anything of substance. You're literally just going like "NO U!!" and pretending like you're having and argument and winning. Classic ;)

Are you the personification of "every accusation is a confession" or what? Seriously, insisting you're right and just throwing insults without any actual arguments does not make you right. The only thing you can argue is that in my first comment I said "russia has always been imperialist". That can be taken as racist if you ignore the fact that it's obviously talking about the culture and not the race and also the fact that a country is not a race... and also if it weren't true.

Really showcasing the intelligence of an average Nat-Z here...

Stop writing walls of nonsense on shit you clearly have no idea about.

But they said they know the material conditions and stuff, so shut up and let Russia do what they want to civilians.

Russia's been invading countries with Europe for centuries, but somehow now when they do it, it's actually good.

Russia's scramble for Africa was good because Marx said so, just don't look into Marx's actual writings.

comic strip.

posted in c/funny

big divisive arguments in the thread

Its not racist to say people from a country suck.

Actually it is. Hating someone based on where they come from is the most basic type of racism there is.

You're clearly right, ml. Western counties and Russia are equally likely to commit to ground invasions.

Saying anything else would be racist.

At some point, the "America and Russia are having sex" joke has fully exhausted itself.

It's all just cope. Totally divorced from the historical moment. Millions of people dead. More slated to die in a hellish conflict with no clear end.

But, "Lolz what if they were giving each other BJs" is immortal.

I think you responded to the wrong comment?

Russia’s economy is smaller than California’s, yet we still pretend that they’re a massive threat

How big is Yemen's economy compared to Saudi Arabia?

Yeah... "Read the communist literature" is like their mantra but it must be like the bible for most Christians because it's really not reflected in their actions.

USA is learning this in Iran, but they are on the other side of the world so they can take the L and move on.

Idk if the US gets to walk away from this. How many military bases in the region are still standing? What's the timeline for replacing all those lost F-15s and C-130s?

We're not seeing a war in downtown Cincinnati. But the US empire is going to be fundamentally changed from it's "Push Libya's shit in because we can" Obama Era recent past.

More than a 9/11 died from covid in the US every week and nobody gave a shit

Lots of people gave a shit. That's the whole reason we had quarantine for over a year.

I don't think it's unfair to say that the Russian government's hard fascist turn in the 90s, and it's decades of corrosive white nationalist domestic politics, has fucked with the heads of many of it's residents in a way the squishy libs in Europe and the US aren't able to conceptualize.

That's not a "calipers" situation. It's the end result of Shock Doctrine economics and attendant toxic culture war politics. And it's not contained to Russia by any means. You see this shit across Eastern Europe and the Middle East. As common in Riyadh and Cairo as Moscow and St. Petersburg.

But it does help to answer the question "Why do Russians seem to have an appetite for endless war that Euros/Americans lack?"