ive heard proton is good but its weird it doesn:t work with private browsers i turned on javascript and webgl aand it still doesnt work tuta just doesnt let me in bc of the browser its tor and up to date

say if its free freenium cheap or expensive and if it can be paid for anonymously and if you can make aliases

also your favorite roblox piggy character becuse idk

Mailbox with encryption of incoming emails. It works with IMAP clients, and I own the keys. Other security minded people can also send end2end encrypted emails without needing to use the same provider.

I've used most private browsers.
Never had a problem with Proton not working.

It doesn't use webgl, so that's not an issue. No idea what else you're blocking that could be a problem.

I run my email out of my closet. Postfix/Dovecot, using Mutt as my client.

I use proton myself. I dont know about private browsers but it works with Thunderbird via its own decryption app Proton Bridge. Thats a good privacy solution (assuming its a secure desktop), and gives you a local backup of your email.

I use purelymail, I've been really liking it so far. They do like a "pay as you go" kinda pricing, so it ends up being pretty dang cheap, even if you get/send a decent amount of emails. Can use your own domains names, yadda yadda.

I might give self hosting an email server a go one day, but people seem pretty mixed on if its worth it.

tuta, secria, murena

Huh, surprised nobody has mentioned Tuta Mail yet. Cheap monthly and annual plans, hosted Ex-US.

Plus I have a domain, forwarded through my tutamail account, so I have unlimited email receiving addresses, at-will. :)

No fascism, no privacy violations. I'm annoyed they don't support external clients and the mail rules are fairly limiting, but for my purposes it's well worth the costs.

Built in calendar also can import ICS files and it has effectively replaced Gcal for my own personal private use.

I use (and created) Port87. Its goal is to reduce spam, but the way it works has a byproduct of being inherently rather private. You give out a different address to each place.

It is not end-to-end encrypted, so if that’s a deal breaker for you, I’m afraid it won’t work. That might be in the extended roadmap, but there are a lot of other features I need to build first (IMAP, CardDAV, mailing lists, and a better composition experience are my top priorities right now).

Tuta and Mailbox.org

As far as emails go you should be fine as long is it isn't Google/apple/someone actively harvesting your information. The main problem is that even if you have encryption, most of the people you email probably don't, for this reason I think it's more important to setup an alias service (I use Addy.Io).

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Me too. I have my own domain name too that I use for custom email accounts which I then set up with Mailbox.

I use Proton but working on moving away due to increasingly relentless advertising practices.

Currently I don't use a privacy-focused mail provider because all of them suck in a way that demotivates me to put in the time and money to migrate and it's an insecure protocol anyways. But for privacy-focused email providers Proton seems like the least shitty option right now.

infomaniak

Fastmail 👍 Well worth the bucks imo. Super well thought out UI, private, and they work towards jmap over imap.

Mainly ignore it till someone calls me and asks “did you see that email?”

Postfix and dovecot on a server stuffed under the stairs.

Tuta (Germany) and Murena Workspace are good mail providers. Murena (France) apart is an excelent all in one substitute for GDrive and other Google services. They also sell Fairphone with own OS (eOS)

A professional hosting their own bunch of services on donation basis. But they stopped taking new users.

Fastmail here too, including running email addresses for kids and parents. Love the UI, easy to use.

Infinite aliases are great. I have an address for every company, and that keeps my inbox very clean and tidy. If one of them turns out to sell my address to spammers, I will know exactly who to blame. It’s also trivial to set up a rule for deleting everything that is sent to that address.

what does that mean

tor browser safest settings but trusted by noscript

Grab a spare Raspberry Pi, plug an SSD into it, follow this guide, once every few months ssh in and apt update && apt upgrade.

That's been my setup for nearly 7 years now. It's been flawless, no deliverability issues, no maintinance headaches, just email that I own.

Yah. Tor is an unreasonable paranoid fantasy that breaks more or less the entire modern internet. Don't use Tor for daily browsing. It's really only useful for darknet onion sites.

Yes!

Domain forwarding with a wild card should work with nearly any email provider vendor worth their salt, but I was glad to find Tuta does exactly two things and does them reasonably well, and at a price I can accept.

Degoogling has been a two year journey and I'm about 90% of the way done, but only my legacy email are driving me back to Thunderbird on select systems and someday I'll get to actually delete my entire Google account.

i use disroot mail. https://disroot.org/

Nobody mentioned Posteo...

Have you found it to be reliable? Online discussions around e-mail servers point to potential deliverability issues, so I was wondering about your experience with it.

Have a home server, and I've been considering self-hosting my e-mail. At least as an experiment, if it turns out to be inconsistent.

Yes, it's been very reliable. IME, the vast majority of people who complain about deliverability issues are spammersmarketers. They set up their own servers, send out a bunch of spamnewsletters, then complain that they get marked as spam. I don't have much sympathy for them.

Of course, I'm not saying that it never happens to legitimate email, but IME, that is increasingly rare, especially after setting up DKIM, SPF, and the like.

It also gets better over time as your IP gains a better reputation.

It means I have an old desktop in my closet, that I use to manage my own email. Here's an example on what it takes to set it up: https://linuxvox.com/blog/install-and-configure-postfix-and-dovecot/

http://www.mutt.org/ is how I browse, manage, and send my email

No encryption. Fuck yes.

Mailbox.org is decent. But 1€ per month. I need to switch my stuff to it and pay before the trial ends.

Does anybody actually socially communicate via email anymore?

I realize it's still in vogue for workplaces, and sometimes companies for support tickets and such, and maybe done doctors, but does anybody actually use it casually to send messages?

I'm dealing with budget issues at the moment but will be moving to a paid service relatively soon, but I think I'm in the majority that uses it almost exclusively only for receipts and getting login codes as a 2FA measure.

Every place I've ever bought anytime from that's attached to that email sends what must be millions of emails to me about different deals and shit, but has anyone ever even opened any of those? Pffffft not below the age of 45 or so I bet.

Email feels obsolete now. It's a decent backbone (hence why every other account is tied to it), but it's literally only there to be a common thread in a normie's tech flow. I haven't heard of people actually conversing with email since right after I stopped sending messages with mine, about the same time everyone got phones that first of all could send texts (my first phone could not send texts, was just able to save some phone numbers and call those easily. Then visual voicemail started happening, everyone got texting (and then data) plans, and email died off in popularity (at least in my circles) almost instantly.

I hate those kind of tables companies provide because of course ot's always biased on their favour, practically useless for that matter tbh.

Doesn't the website say you can encrypt it youself and actually recommends doing so or something like that?

I recently got Stalwart running with Bulwark as the front end to actually send emails. I have Stalwart behind Caddy for https and Stalwart only exposes http because I don't want to mess with pop and imap. Instead I have it using JMAP, which Bulwark is designed for, because it's simpler and more secure. Receiving emails works from some basic testing against my personal Gmail account. Sending email was a bit more complicated, but I ended up using SMTP2GO for outgoing mail and it worked in aforementioned testing. Their free tier is more than enough for personal email and I can switch to a different smtp relay in the future if I choose to.

i tried it i dont have anything to say yet

wow

Maybe, but it's really what Murena offers, + own Mobile OS and also Smartphones by FairPhone, even a special OS for kids, it's a whole good infrastructure, not only a mailprovider. All European and OpenSource. It's way more as offered by others, apart of Google. I didn't find a better service to substitute Google.

Murena Dashboard

Ah, that's really cool!

5Eyes for anyone reading.

I use mailbox.org because both proton and tuta do not support IMAP, which is generally needed to use a 3rd party client. Mailbox.org is also pretty cheap and is pretty private as far as the non-E2EE providers go. And in terms of E2EE it is going to be used so rarely that is basically doesn't matter, the type of person that would use tuta/proton would probably be willing to setup PGP with you, and E-mail isn't a secure communications platform anyways, so you might as well just use Signal, XMPP, briar, etc...

It also allows you to create multiple logins for family members (with their own mail adress), all tied to one account with no additional costs. You just pay a few cents for each GB of storage.

Where does it say no encryption? The email section said it uses TLS when emails are sent outbound.

I use mailbox.org because both proton and tuta do not support IMAP, which is generally needed to use a 3rd party client.

Use Proton’s Bridge for SMTP/IMAP

I use Proton but now I think if I'm gonna send mails to a Gmail anyway, there's no much difference except for the subscription ones not being scanned. And for those sites that I have to enter an email, I use addy.io alias or Firefox relay.

I don't want to have to use their stupid little bloated software just to send and read E-mails in a client of my choosing.

I suspect their encryption scheme falls outside the SMTP/IMAP protocols hence the requirement for an application to decrypt/encrypt the message before being delivered to and from your desired email reader.

Thunderbird doesn’t know how to decrypt/encrypt an email if it isn’t given the tools to do so 🤷‍♂️