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mrcleanup
lemmy.world
mrcleanup@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-09-08 |
Honestly, each has a different feel. You just have to get in there and see how it goes. When you land on the right one, you will feel it. |
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jollyrogue
lemmy.ml
jollyrogue@lemmy.ml Joined: 2021-07-21 |
systemd vs sysv There is no systemd vs sysv war. It is systemd suck or systemd fine.
Indeed. It seems that everyone dislikes sysv, but a small group can’t decide on what the better option is. |
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sneaky
r.nf
sneaky@r.nf Joined: 2024-06-25 |
Pick any distro and just start trying to live your life in there. A lot of beginners, including myself, will distro hop on look and feel. Ubuntu looks neat or Mint is more like windows. Elementry OS has that glossy vibe. Which is all a ton of fun, but look and feel goes out the window when you find out that program you need for work is packaged as an RPM but not DEB and now you gotta install it from source. And don't get me wrong. Always tinker, research and discover solutions. I'm just saying as you get more experienced, the distro hopping decision becomes more focused on ease of use rather than look and feel. So save yourself some time and just focus on using whatever distro you installed. The sooner you start trying to live in a distro the sooner you see what works out of the box, what takes some tinkering, and what is just way harder than it needs to be. As you do research on the issues you run into you may find another distro is better suited to your workflow. I have some systems with newer hardware that would probably work fine on Debian, but drivers aren't native and it's going to require installing from source/recompiling a newer kernel and troubleshooting for an hour or a day or days lol. In these cases it is easier to install a distro that already has the driver packaged in its repo ready to go. I will say most of those issues lead me to and have been resolved by Fedora. But I still have a couple systems where Ubuntu is just easier for what those systems are doing because it has specific drivers ready to go easier than Fedora. If you read this and are over there wanting the complete opposite experience to tinker with everything and have it be as hard as possible... See Alpine linux, which I will master someday lol. |
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auzy1
lemmy.world
auzy1@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-05-03 |
Genuine question: Am I missing something? I use Ubuntu and never use the Snap store. I only use the apt repository to install applications I find online. What is the advantage of Flathub over my current setup?
Depends on your needs. If there are packages for everything you need, thats fine. Also, its fine if you don't mind going to the sites and downloading directly. I have a few packages which are easier to use on flathub though. I also find Gnome Software centre and discover are a lot cleaner than Ubuntu's software used for package management. Ubuntu these days has 15 years of software support though. Both are fine in practice. |
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eldavi
lemmy.ml
eldavi@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-07-18 |
Nancy Reagan was the throat goat of Hollywood and DC, my man. Throat game was strong. But are you saying I'm 30 years too late with you, or that the entire blowjob-for-computer-work economy has tragically collapsed in recent decades?
grindr outages prove how slutty republicans truly are and it's not that this economy has tragically collapsed -- it's that money is less messy. lol |
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Dharma Curious (he/him)
slrpnk.net
dharmacurious@slrpnk.netJoined: 2024-03-22 |
grindr outages prove how slutty republicans truly are and it's not that this economy has tragically collapsed -- it's that money is less messy. lol
The money can stay clean. Remember, I have great throat game, you don't have to finish on the money |
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Jack
lemmy.ca
Jack@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-12 |
Use whatever feels comfortable. Both are fine. People are complaining about micro annoyances that should not really affect you at first. When you get comfortable with Linux, you'll also get to pick sides in micro battles like KDE vs Gnome, vi vs emacs, systemd vs sysv, flatpak vs snap and all the other wonderful my-side-is-better-than-yours fights.
I don't think that's a small thing for someone new to Linux. I prefer Xfce over MATE, KDE, and Cinnamon because I use old computers. I wouldn't recommend modern GNOME. |
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SwooshBakery624 [they/them]
programming.dev
SwooshBakery624@programming.dev Joined: 2024-11-23 |
The only real issue with Ubuntu is it uses Snap app store instead of Flathub app store. Flathub has more apps, is faster, and has some minor security improvements. Linux Mint uses Flathub. HOWEVER, you can add Flathub as additional source in Ubuntu app store app, and use Flathub exclusively. In that case, no real difference between Ubuntu and Linux Mint other than UI.
Also Snap backend is a proprietary crap, unlike flatpak. |
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SwooshBakery624 [they/them]
programming.dev
SwooshBakery624@programming.dev Joined: 2024-11-23 |
Use whatever feels comfortable. Both are fine. People are complaining about micro annoyances that should not really affect you at first. When you get comfortable with Linux, you'll also get to pick sides in micro battles like KDE vs Gnome, vi vs emacs, systemd vs sysv, flatpak vs snap and all the other wonderful my-side-is-better-than-yours fights.
Most of systemd-less distros use openrc, dinit or runit, sysv is mostly dead nowadays. Some distros still utilize it tho. |
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dragospirvu75
lemmy.ml
dragospirvu75@lemmy.ml Joined: 2025-05-15 |
I prefer Mint over Ubuntu because of the default desktop environment. Also, in Mint you can unintall apps directly from menu with right-click-uninstall. |
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SwooshBakery624 [they/them]
programming.dev
SwooshBakery624@programming.dev Joined: 2024-11-23 |
Snap is arguably the better sandbox. The bigger issue with Snap is that only Canonical (the company that owns Ubuntu) has the code for the Snap store, so it's a closed ecosystem and there are no alternative stores, so the minute they enshittify it's garbage. Flathub is the most popular flatpak repo but the code for a flatpak repo is open source, there are alternative options and will be in the future.
Snap has a better sandbox, but only if you have an AppArmor distro. If your distro of choice uses SELinux or something else, then you're out of luck. |
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MonaySimpson
lemmy.ml
MonaySimpson@lemmy.ml Joined: 2026-04-28 |
Ubuntu has ads in the OS, mint dosnt. Installed mint on my parents laptops so they didn't become e-waste when Win11 came out. They have no issues. Being new(ish) to Linux since that time and I found that the main distortion are better than their sub "flavours". For me anyway. I didn't like Mint LMDE or Kubuntu etc. |
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dieTasse
feddit.org
dieTasse@feddit.orgJoined: 2025-02-24 |
Ye my biggest concern is keys, sdk configs, sdk programs, scripts, environment variables, vscodium configs, ... I always take weeks to set all that shit up the way i like it haha. But ye, im still checking out what i can drop and what i cant. Or maybe create scripts to config something to the way i like it ( like git )
Yeah, had the same, but nowadays I have local dedicated VMs for each development project, to mitigate stuff like supply chain attack. The side effect is that it's easier to just copy the VM to the new system. I am thinking though on creating ansible scripts for each use case to be able to "reset" the vm's once in a while. |
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dieTasse
feddit.org
dieTasse@feddit.orgJoined: 2025-02-24 |
Fucking love Fedora, it's my main squeeze. But I have noticed something. If someone says "I love gnome" then they get the (playful) shit talkers, but if you say "I love Fedora" people are like "ah, an intellectual" haha
Really? I find that Fedora is so popular nowadays that most of the reactions are similar to your first sentence. 😀 |
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Gumus
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Gumus@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-02-28 |
Ubuntu is fine, especially for a new user it's usually widely supported and has the most resources available. I can't stand Gnome, though. I'd very much recommend going with Kubuntu. |
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AndyMFK
lemmy.dbzer0.com
AndyMFK@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2024-03-09 |
Ubuntu has ads in the OS, mint dosnt. Installed mint on my parents laptops so they didn't become e-waste when Win11 came out. They have no issues. Being new(ish) to Linux since that time and I found that the main distortion are better than their sub "flavours". For me anyway. I didn't like Mint LMDE or Kubuntu etc.
I tend to agree that the main distribution is better than it's "sub-flavours", but by that logic you should be using Debian, not mint/ubuntu |
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Jh1mKce
lemmy.today
Jh1mKce@lemmy.today Joined: 2026-09-19 |
Linux Mint Debian Edition |
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ian
feddit.uk
ian@feddit.ukJoined: 2023-06-11 |
Ubuntu is fine, especially for a new user it's usually widely supported and has the most resources available. I can't stand Gnome, though. I'd very much recommend going with Kubuntu.
Yes Ubuntu is a solid distro, except if you are a hater. Gnome is not suitable for me as a mouse user. Keyboard users like it though. |
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FreddiesLantern
leminal.space
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space Joined: 2025-09-19 |
My complaint is that Ubuntu is flirting with becoming proprietary software. Don't get me wrong they're nowhere near closed source or such but still. That and they have some mechanics that feel counter intuitive to me. (But that's personal taste) I'd choose mint then. Just because it has a more "traditional windows" (don't think about 11, don't think about 11,.....vom) styled flow to it. |
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Libre Extremist
lemmy.ml
liberatedGuy@lemmy.mlJoined: 2022-01-25 |
My problem with Ubuntu is the way snaps are so closely tied to the distro. If they were optional, I would have just stuck with it. But I also like Mint anyway. It's just good. |
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ksigley
lemmy.world
ksigley@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-06-04 |
My complaint is that Ubuntu is flirting with becoming proprietary software. Don't get me wrong they're nowhere near closed source or such but still. That and they have some mechanics that feel counter intuitive to me. (But that's personal taste) I'd choose mint then. Just because it has a more "traditional windows" (don't think about 11, don't think about 11,.....vom) styled flow to it.
Happy cake day! |
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FreddiesLantern
leminal.space
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space Joined: 2025-09-19 |
Happy cake day!
Thx! ~(つˆ0ˆ)つ。☆ |
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MonaySimpson
lemmy.ml
MonaySimpson@lemmy.ml Joined: 2026-04-28 |
I tend to agree that the main distribution is better than it's "sub-flavours", but by that logic you should be using Debian, not mint/ubuntu
Yeah. I knew somone would say that. I feel Mint is its own thing though and main stream enough. I meant more the distros that have a webite, and then other flavours or spins on that distro. I do want to try Debian at some stage but it just feels about old out of the box. |
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AndyMFK
lemmy.dbzer0.com
AndyMFK@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2024-03-09 |
Yeah. I knew somone would say that. I feel Mint is its own thing though and main stream enough. I meant more the distros that have a webite, and then other flavours or spins on that distro. I do want to try Debian at some stage but it just feels about old out of the box.
No shade on mint. It is a great distro. It's my recommendation for people switching from windows |
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Dettweiler
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Dettweiler42@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2024-07-20 |
Just a heads up, Mint is an Ubuntu system with their customization. I like the Cinnamon edition, personally. I have a laptop running it, and it's been a very smooth experience. |
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typhoon
lemmy.world
Amaterasu@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-02-23 |
Snap has a better sandbox, but only if you have an AppArmor distro. If your distro of choice uses SELinux or something else, then you're out of luck.
Actually, just having AppArmor enabled isn't enough. Snap's strict confinement depends on specific out-of-tree AppArmor kernel patches that Canonical bakes into Ubuntu. If your distro uses the stock Linux kernel, even with AppArmor active (like Debian, Arch, or openSUSE) snapd lacks the necessary kernel-level hooks and drops down to partial confinement. Because of this fallback, non-Ubuntu AppArmor distros don't actually get the full Snap sandbox, they get a degraded version of it. |
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bertlewirth
lemy.lol
bertlewirth@lemy.lol Joined: 2026-09-16 |
Between those two, I would go with regular Debian, or Mint LMDE if it has to be one of the two. Debian is much better about providing a reasonably updated desktop experience these days. As for Ubuntu… Their engineering is bad, and they’re shady. They push their solutions over standard stuff, and their solutions are conveniently setup to allow them to close source the code if anything ever reach...
coughsnapscough |
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JackbyDev
programming.dev
JackbyDev@programming.devJoined: 2023-06-13 |
If it comes with Ubuntu and you like it, stick with it. At least give it a try. Everyone can tell you why they dislike it, but most distro hate/discussion is pretty minor compared to like Windows versus Linux discussion lol. |
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Hanrahan
slrpnk.net
hanrahan@slrpnk.netJoined: 2023-03-14 |
just use LMDE have fun :) |
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Discover4516
feddit.org
Discover4516@feddit.org Joined: 2026-05-13 |
Use Ubuntu, if you don't like it, try another distro. Don't let your choice of distro be influenced by others. It is your computer, you decide which OS it will run. A lot of people run Ubuntu and are very happy with it - they just don't post abour it online. |
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sicktriple
lemmy.ml
aReallyCrunchyLeaf@lemmy.mlJoined: 2025-11-02 |
You can't run your own snap repo. That goes against the entire point of openness.
that is certainly a downside. |
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sicktriple
lemmy.ml
aReallyCrunchyLeaf@lemmy.mlJoined: 2025-11-02 |
If taking minutes to launch one application is a plus?
Snaps run CLI programs. As a server operator, snaps are at times genuinely useful. This sub betrays itself as being mostly hobbyists by not understanding that flatpaks only work for GUI apps. |
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libewa
feddit.org
libewa@feddit.org Joined: 2026-07-29 |
Snaps run CLI programs. As a server operator, snaps are at times genuinely useful. This sub betrays itself as being mostly hobbyists by not understanding that flatpaks only work for GUI apps.
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sicktriple
lemmy.ml
aReallyCrunchyLeaf@lemmy.mlJoined: 2025-11-02 |
flatpak run would like a word with you. You can easily just alias to that.
There are many reasons why you don't want to do this. Flatpaks dont touch PATH, the sandboxing makes it difficult, and flathub doesn't distribute CLI programs, being the main ones. So yes, it is technically possible, but so cumbersome as to be unfeasible. Snap on the other hand does implement a pretty frictionless method for running CLI snaps. Again, you guys are making me defend snap, I'm not even an Ubuntu user. However, when you blindly state things that are incorrect, you denigrate your own position. This whole snaps are slavery echo chamber is extremely tedious. Its no different than people just parroting political opinions they saw on instagram. Use the best tool for the job. If that's Ubuntu, great. |
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