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iocase lemmy.zip iocase@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-05-11
#52 · Quote Reply

I often think about that canal future that never happened. How sick would it be to get a boat to work everyday

I prefer rail in its various forms. Way faster and cheaper. Canals are absolutely amazing at one crucial thing: moving mind boggling amounts of bulky low value goods for a fraction the cost of rail. The mississippi river system was no joke an american superpower (and still is) for a looong time. You can move grain for thousands of kms for the same price it would cost to ship it 150 via rail.

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adarza lemmy.ca adarza@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2024-05-29
#53 · Quote Reply

Some people just never learned to embrace the dilly-dally lifestyle.

dilly-dally

ahh. one of my favorite pastimes.

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SpacetimeMachine lemmy.world SpacetimeMachine@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-04
#54 · Quote Reply

Whats funny is enshittifying is a suicide button when you can run deepseek or a different open weight model on your own machine. That i own. In my house. Without ads or censorship

And thus they will try to make computers so expensive that no one can afford them.

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aesthelete lemmy.world aesthelete@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-08-03
#55 · Quote Reply

There is applications and ways to make money. But competition isn't hard to come by and profit will be under expectations. So my expectations is "skill-based programming" will become too expensive as a long-term solution and people who went that route will quickly become uncompetitive.

I'm unsure what you're referring to. Tell me more if you will.

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aesthelete lemmy.world aesthelete@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-08-03
#56 · Quote Reply

The plan is for them to make agentic AI and charge a yearly salary per agent. They are obviously not close to that goal, or you would hear more about it.

That also will not work.

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aesthelete lemmy.world aesthelete@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-08-03
#57 · Quote Reply

Pretty much all cloud compute is charged by usage (CPU time, storage, ingress, egress, class X api calls, etc), and is notoriously unpredictable. Businesses deal with it because, despite the unpredictability, it is cheaper than any other model could viably be offered at. Consumer facing products will likely adopt different models; but "AI" is not a product, and most AI products will be bought b...

Sure but none of that is the same as tokens.

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tetris11 feddit.uk tetris11@feddit.uk
Joined: 2025-02-17
#58 · (edited) Quote Reply

I prefer rail in its various forms. Way faster and cheaper. Canals are absolutely amazing at one crucial thing: moving mind boggling amounts of bulky low value goods for a fraction the cost of rail. The mississippi river system was no joke an american superpower (and still is) for a looong time. You can move grain for thousands of kms for the same price it would cost to ship it 150 via rail.

I do love rail, I'm just sad that we cleared most of our natural waterways for them to be laid down, and often stare wistfully when walking over a rail bridge

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jack_of_sandwich lemmy.sdf.org jack_of_sandwich@lemmy.sdf.org
Joined: 2023-06-12
#59 · Quote Reply

Canals at least it was pretty easy to see a valuable use case. Get commerce from New York to the Great Lakes without have to sail up past Maine and then still get past Niagara Falls somehow? That's amazing! It just got outpaced by technology

And the Panama and Suez Canals are STILL incredibly important to global shipping, greatly shortening trade routes where rail or road simply isn't an alternative

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kestrel7_7 lemmy.world kestrel7_7@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-07-31
#60 · Quote Reply

I often think about that canal future that never happened. How sick would it be to get a boat to work everyday

As someone who used to ride a boat to work every day, it fuckin ruled and I miss it

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kestrel7_7 lemmy.world kestrel7_7@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-07-31
#61 · Quote Reply

I'm a little jealous of people in England who live on narrowboats on their canals. And also jealous of the multi-use trail network on what used to be the tow paths, for that matter.

Liveaboard canal boats are also a thing in the Netherlands and honestly it seems pretty great!

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Caveman lemmy.world olafurp@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-08-19
#62 · Quote Reply

Aren't these both projects that had very strong long term benefits on shipping and exporting?

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brucethemoose lemmy.world brucethemoose@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-03-22
#63 · (edited) Quote Reply

There's no way that the long term billing for AI is tokens. It's not budgetable, it's arbitrary, and eventually people will figure out ways to either game it or evade it. It's much more likely that they get crammed full of ads and become useless than it is that they become profitable charging via token IMO.

Eh, it's close enough?

If they really wanted to, they could charge for "GPU time" directly. Usage gets a bit complicated with batching and context caching, but its definitely a metric that could be precisely derived.


Don't get me wrong though. That whole business model is doomed.

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korazail eviltoast.org korazail@eviltoast.org
Joined: 2026-08-22
#64 · Quote Reply

There's no way that the long term billing for AI is tokens. It's not budgetable, it's arbitrary, and eventually people will figure out ways to either game it or evade it. It's much more likely that they get crammed full of ads and become useless than it is that they become profitable charging via token IMO.

Just had a funny thought:

User: Please write a boilerplate function that does

LLM:

//XYZ Function: This function does the thing...
//Subscribe to Incogni to prevent your valuable personal data from ending up in the hands of Data Brokers
function XYZ () {
...
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nullspace lemmy.world nullspace@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-06-05
#65 · Quote Reply

Shoutout to the Clinton Kalamazoo Canal Likely the most ambitious and worst infrastructure project in state history.

It's so narrow and shallow.

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CalypsoGirl lemmy.today CalypsoGirl@lemmy.today
Joined: 2026-08-15
#66 · Quote Reply

Oh good, so are you saying in about 7 years, this data center bullshit will end?

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Lyrl lemmy.dbzer0.com Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-06-14
#67 · Quote Reply

Oh good, so are you saying in about 7 years, this data center bullshit will end?

Depends on whether the AI boom is like the canal boom (fizzled), or the railroad boom (still going, arguably underinvested).

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Eheran lemmy.world Eheran@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-26
#68 · Quote Reply

Aren't these both projects that had very strong long term benefits on shipping and exporting?

Jup.

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CalypsoGirl lemmy.today CalypsoGirl@lemmy.today
Joined: 2026-08-15
#69 · Quote Reply

Depends on whether the AI boom is like the canal boom (fizzled), or the railroad boom (still going, arguably underinvested).

I'm pretty sure the above rhetoric was about the canal and data centers. Railroad was a side topic. So I choose to interpret it as within 7 years, data centers are gonna be repurposed into big box stores or filled with cobwebs & left to crumble to dust.

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Morlark feddit.uk Morlark@feddit.uk
Joined: 2025-05-12
#70 · Quote Reply

Depends on whether the AI boom is like the canal boom (fizzled), or the railroad boom (still going, arguably underinvested).

Except the railway boom isn't still going... it unarguably, unambiguously did fizzle, just like the canal boom before it, and for exactly the same reason too: it was replaced by a superior technology. In the case of canals, that was railways. In the case of the railways, that was motorised road-going vehicles.

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