I absolutely get the Mozilla hate. What I don't get is the dwindling numbers. I recently had to switch from Zen back to Firefox on my corporate laptop due to policy. Firefox really still is an excellent browser and would recommend it over Chrome. I occasionally have to open chrome and that's starting to feel more and more like explorer.

I couldn’t care less tbh. Still a fine browser, still a great daily driver, still blocks all the ads with ublock.

What I don’t get is the dwindling numbers.

Mozilla do not operate a pervasive network of internet monopolies that can relentlessly push for Firefox adoption and sabotage compatibility of other browsers. If Mozilla had any sense, they might dedicate some more budget to advocating antitrust and campaigning other counter-monopolistic policies, but instead… they want to make the corners rounder. And flip back and forth on supporting a compact layout, while deliberating over whether they need more AI or even more AI.

At least you can remove all the sidebar crap: right-click > remove from toolbar.

I really didn't need rounded everything, not every tool needs to be Fisher-Priced.

Unofficial tool for PWA management: https://github.com/filips123/PWAsForFirefox

Your chain of causality is comically nonsensical. First of all, Opera isn't owned "by China," it's a publicly traded company whose largest shareholder happens to be Chinese. The company's still Norwegian. Second of all, that didn't happen until 2016. Opera Software ASA (now Otello ASA) are the ones who switched to Chromium 3 years before that because they had decided that Presto couldn't compete with WebKit anymore. I disagree with that decision but that's what happened.

last year, admittedly. good to hear that it's coming along!

OK, I was tired and over-simplified. I shop with Chinese Companies and I usually defend them when they are receiving Anti Sino hate and call them to task when they pull BS, so that was beneath me and not what I was saying. As a Opera user at the time I know it is a multinational group that is only mostly Chinese Investors. I also know some Chinese based business tactics that they tried to pull on users early on and got enough blowback that they stopped doing it.

The Company went to hell as soon as Jon Von Techner left the CEO roll and they brought in that "Adult" CEO and he started the Chromium rewrite, attacking community members like me, shutting out Jon until he had to leave, openly bragged about making the company more like Google Chrome so that Google would buy out Opera ASA for the patents and he would get his golden parachute(I know that that is when CEO's are fired or the company fails, but that is how he worded it). Then when Google turned their nose up their secondary job was to find ANYBODY to buy the browser and patents. That is when they sold to the mostly Chinese Company who I could not be arsed to look up because I was off of Opera and on to Vivaldi by then not knowing initially that that was Jon's Company, IIRC. The also killed OperaMail which I used for years after even though it was left on the vine to rot and was the inspiration for the modern Thunderbird UI design.

Not true:

They only renamed their "normal" density to "compact", and assumed –as usual– that their users are stupid.

It becomes obvious if you compare the spacing between "normal old design" and "compact new design".

I use Zen, too. You can get 90% of the things it offers with user.js and userChrome.css tweaks, many of which are pre-packaged by volunteers, but Zen gets rid of the annoyances out of the box and adds some quality of life features.

some effort is also needed to become more Chromium compatible, perhaps even on a site by site basis

They actually do put quite a bit of effort into making sites behave the same as Chrome, and this does actually include site-specific workarounds. My mind boggled when I learned this.

thanks for confirming the third worst category of firefox fans

To follow up on this, the update hit my LibreWolf today & my css is mildly broken, but I'm kind of at a loss as to how to fix it and I dislike Nova.

I know this person has been banished from the community and all but still how the actual fuck do you possibly miss that Edge is a Chromium fork. Look at it. It's the most Chromium fork looking thing ever created.