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mika_mika
lemmy.world
mika_mika@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-07-17 |
Pretty sure MLK Jr. cared more about the power of the vote for the right party organization, not just vote blue no matter who shit. VBNMW is literally the problem he is describing in that quote, and you act out the smug moderate precisely.
He was socialistic, yes didn't believe in party alignment, and yet even though he disagreed with them, and was critical of, he most likely voted JFK and confirmed his vote for Johnson the oogaboogey blue candidates. But that's not what I was speaking on, and he was not speaking on blind party alignment in that quote, he is literally just calling out moderates. Rightly so, he still voted for them tho. ^ |
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m532
lemmy.ml
m532@lemmy.ml Joined: 2021-06-05 |
what? who said bourgeoisie? do you not have community run outlets? it seems to me you need to go outside and see what other comrades are up to
That's what you're trying to distract from. |
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iltg
sh.itjust.works
iltg@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2024-04-09 |
your description of “basic human decency” is also very dishonest in my opinion: between bombing gaza and bombing gaza+venezuela+iran you can easily pick the lesser evil. while people in gaza see no difference (which is also arguable), two other countries, and people there, definitely do Your idea of basic human decency is to write off Palestinians as doomed no matter what, so might as well just...
if "both sides" genocide palestine, voting or not changes nothing for palestinians, right? so go block a station or something and then cast the ballot also who do you think put kamala there? vote at primaries too once again, you're pushing a false dichotomy |
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iltg
sh.itjust.works
iltg@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2024-04-09 |
Engaging with the theater benefits media companies (a.k.a. those in power). They make fat cash from the spectacle. That's what you're trying to distract from.
this is bait, i swear you can turn off the tv and log off. as far as i know voting in the US does not include mandatory watching of state propaganda and cheering for the leader. i fully endorse disengaging from propaganda machines, turns out telling folks that nothing makes a difference anyway is propaganda ("climate doomerism" may be an interesting and related read) |
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iltg
sh.itjust.works
iltg@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2024-04-09 |
Not necessarily. If the 'not voting' creates awareness on issues and inspires action, then it can be good. It would be on what it is for and what its effects are. Generally, voting may be good. But if 3rd parties you like to vote for are not allowed or face structural impediments, then if you use not voting as awareness for it, it being good or bad would be on the effects, right?
this is the only good argument against voting in this thread honestly, it's a shame it's somewhat low, thanks for your input i don't think not voting creates enough awareness at such scale. HK was a great example of protest abstention, but the main difference IMO is the dimensions: HK being somewhat geographically small compared to a whole country allows for efficient grassroots protests. coordinating such an effort at state level is incredibly ambitious to me, and as long as US folks keep bowing to their state i find it unthinkable that they could organize so properly and so swiftly to make not voting an efficient political action. thus i think defensive voting is better than not voting at all. i'll be more prone to protest abstention once either the US starts burning stuff for real (france is a good example) or the US empire fragments enough to be "local". rolling over and letting things be just allows the state to consolidate power, only strengthening the empire |
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EmmiLime
lemmy.ml
EmmiLime@lemmy.ml Joined: 2026-03-12 |
both bad amirite if "both sides" genocide palestine, voting or not changes nothing for palestinians, right? so go block a station or something and then cast the ballot also who do you think put kamala there? vote at primaries too once again, you're pushing a false dichotomy
I'm not an Amerikan. Your voting enables genocide and you justify that by writing off Palestinians.
There wasn't even a primary for her lol |
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spud
sh.itjust.works
spud@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-11-05 |
both bad amirite if "both sides" genocide palestine, voting or not changes nothing for palestinians, right? so go block a station or something and then cast the ballot also who do you think put kamala there? vote at primaries too once again, you're pushing a false dichotomy
kamala wasn't nominated in the primary. |
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