UBO was installed. Last time I tried Ironfox was perhaps two weeks ago.

It is extremely laggy. But I have a 2017 redmi 4x with a SDM 435 and 4GB of ram (also lags on 690), so it's probably fine on anything with a SDM 855+.

If I remember, I might post an update on how it works on a SDM 8 elite.

Try Titanium browser - vanadium with extensions (compatible with UB origin lite).

I use it when some pages don't work on Waterfox on my underpowered redmi. It's tolerable.

It was removed from /c/technology because /c/technology isn't for discussing, learning about, or posting about technology. It's for posting about big tech companies, tech adjacent or non-tech news, politics, and their CEOs.

It's the Lemmy equivalent of reddits. It's pretty much a pile of crap.

Never heard of Titanium, thanks!

For example, want to use the GrapheneOS web installer? You need a Chromium-based browser.

This is because Firefox does not support WebUSB. It is not currently possible to make a version of the Graphene web installer that supports Firefox. Graphene doesn't get a say in the matter.

Vanadium was built with security at the forefront of design, not privacy. They're two distinct disciplibes.

Hopefully no GrapheneOS users read this. I'm so fed up with being told: "YoU cAn'T hAvE pRiVaCy WiThOuT sEcUrItY" over and over whenever I say there may be tradeoffs.

I'm not reading all that. Brave rocks. Firefox gargle balls. At least Brave has the guts to innovate and don't sell out their holes to Google like Firefox.

Keep slurping firefox turds

I trust them. What are you gonna do about it? Cry and run to firefart?

Hey man, I appreciate the input but firstly I don't see how the generation of people applies in this case in any meaningful way.

I can understand being frustrated with shitty aspects of the hyper-capitalistic society many of us live in and predatory nature of the modern free-market. But if you wanna make a difference please try expressing it in a way that encourages discussion and unity, rather than dissuade it.

Per your username, I'm all for socialist vibes. My wish is more of a transition into a true socialist democracy, which isn't 'pure' socialism per se, but we're on the same team. In fact, the working class is on the same team. But man, you're not giving off socialist vibes imo, and that's the opposite effect that your username implies.

Just my thoughts.

Lol is this satire?

Oh not satire, just a troll. Got it.

Having a real hard time believing this. I can't tell the difference between the one that ships with graphene or ironfox in terms of pages loading.

Use what you wanna use my man, but turning browsers into the equivalent of the 'console wars' that people get swept up in is a bit silly.

At the very least let me know why you think Firefox gargles balls in a bit more detail and how Brave by comparison refuses to gargle.

That would be a bit more insightful for us all!

lol, socialists don't want to accommodate capitalism but overthrow it instead

the working class potentially is on the same team but some are jailing already oppressed people in concentration camps, others are relying on that and many are egotistically snoozing through all of that and no gullible liberal talk about unity without conflict to make such unity possible is serious. Liberals shouldn't call themselves socialist.

Fight for what you believe in. I would be a hypocrite to tell you otherwise. I'm just saying, you're not likely to win any support for a cause if you aren't able to show people that they'll be more accepted within a new system.

It's fine to disagree on semantics or ideology but you need the people who are fed-up to be on your side if you want the numbers to create any sort of viable movement.

I get it, it's frustrating, it's slow, there's infighting. It's not to say your approach is wrong, just that the environment we were thrust into requires quite a bit more tolerance and understanding of those outside of your ideology, that is, if you want to do something more than argue with each other.

It can be hard to discern facts from opinions nowadays because as you noted, so many people assert their opinions as fact. Especially online, and especially on modern social media.

It helps to find people and developers and communities that you trust, and compare their knowledge with whatever else you hear or read. This way, you might just be able to roam around just a little more peacefully knowing that you are secure in your understanding.

There's a lot of noise on the internet, and much of it is unfortunately not worth engaging with.

Maybe look for your First People first before preaching on neoliberal conformity on others. 🙄

Brave does this by randomization instead, which is far more effective.

Randomisation isn't necessarily more effective, it's just a different strategy.

Orion claims to this day that fingerprinting resistance is impossible, which is preposterous because Brave is doing it today.

I think you mean Orion is saying RFP is ineffective, and whether Brave's implementation is or is not is a question of semantics.

Like most security measures, each decision is a trade off between security and usability. The Firefox / LibreWolf / TOR implementation is fine for most users:

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Fingerprinting#Terse_List

I do advocate for them. Not that I am obligated to prove it to you on any way, but here's a link of me commenting on Lemmy 8 months ago, in direct relation to First Nations peoples.

You can't build good faith with people when you don't give good faith arguments. Perhaps it's worth contemplating if you're really trying to change something in the world, or if you're just frustrated and venting on the internet.

Either is fine, but let's be honest with ourselves. Your comments lead me to believe you may be in the latter group.

That's just because Brave tells websites that you're using Chrome.

All http requests include a "user agent" where the requester tells the server what agent the user is using. requesters can specify whatever they want - it's not complex to tell the server you're using tea leaves to render the server's response.

Some web pages are designed to tell the user that their browser is not compatible, if it doesn't match a set of compatible browsers. So if you say you're rendering the page with "tea leaves" it will tell you it's not compatible because it doesn't match "chrome" or "edge" or whatever.

The outcome is - these alerts are rudimentary and not actually considering the capabilities of your browser.

I generally use librewolf but as you say some pages are just broken, so I use ungoogled chromium for those pages.

My political activities aren't on the Internet. My argument, in good faith, it's that bad people, like Brave's dev, or Omarchy's main dev, don't deserve mindshare to spread their ideology that's detrimental to the humanity. No single little convenience of something like a web browser or an OS when many alternatives exist can justify doing so. And those who advocate on the contrary should, at the very least, be scrutinized thoughtfully because, in the very end, they're enabling the Curtis Yarvins and the Jordan Petersons, don't matter whether willingly or not. Your actions enable the status quo.

Ok, and that's a well-thought out and respectable position. I wish you shared that level of insight from the start, but thank you. In principle I very much agree with you, actually.

And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but your political activities (which includes your online comments and advocacy) are quite literally in that same paragraph lol

I don't really think it's that simple. They currently have the best security focused AdBlock of any browser (built in rust, default to the browser, works on a higher level than ublock origin, immune to upstream changes like manifest v3, can clear persistent data for specific sites, has containerization modes for changing browser fingerprint on the fly). I'm hoping vanadium or ungoogled chromium (security nightmare btw even though it has no startup telemetry, but I do think it's an interesting project for learning purposes) eventually adds brave shields to their browsers. The default settings aren't great but the right settings config clears out all potential telemetry and phoning home.

For what it's worth, the grapheneos team agrees with me and considers brave to be the second best chromium browser after vanadium for security purposes 🤷‍♀️

Brave is a very secure browser with the correct settings. Grapheneos agrees with this take as well and consider it the second most secure chromium browser (though imo vanadium has it's own shortcomings in regards to AdBlock, brave shields is very effective). Read my other comment for an analysis

I wouldn't pay for it because that deliberately destroys most privacy benefits. Origin is only worth it on Linux imo. Brave mostly takes advantage of tech illiterate people so the tech literate people can secure their privacy and blend in to a larger crowd. It's not very ethical but they are the largest privacy browser as a result of being able to afford ad campaigns from this exploitation of illiteracy. I mostly dream of the day that someone forks it and makes it perfect on the backs of all their development money

Randomisation isn’t necessarily more effective, it’s just a different strategy.

No, it is far more effective, as I said.

Keep huffing your own farts mate.

Not my farts, they're Brave farts 💨

This is a much more concise and probably more effective way to explain a good chunk of what I wrote out.

Surprisingly enough when using the Origin build of brave I saw no measurable difference in fingerprinting artifacts after reviewing the list from EFF's Cover Your Tracks and browserleaks.com

Your point about the Origin build reducing privacy via a smaller user pool was a huge concern for me, so those findings were a relief.

Also yes, many will toggle settings such as 'Ask not to track' (forget the exact label), to on, or adding identifying, uncommon, and regional extensions (kinda any third party ones tbh) - believing that they're increasing their privacy but unfortunately, significantly increasing chances of successful fingerprinting.

I don't blame people, it's such a cluster fuck and the wisdom of old has drastically changed.

I know what user agent is, and that isn't the problem. These are web apps, and they aren't responding with a "browser not supported" error. They just either do not work, or do not work correctly. I main Librewolf and Firefox (dependent on system). All I ever use Brave Origin (Chrome and Edge before it), is to access a very small set of corporate apps I seldom use. I could spend my valuable time trying to get Chromium to work if it was going to be my main, but in this case it was just way easier to buy Brave Origin and expense it to the client that did not support Firefox.

Indeed

I often get a message that it isn’t supported.

Sure.

I was using Firefox for 5 years and lately since few months, sites load terribly slower than on Brave Origin or Vanilla Chromium in Arch Linux for me atleast. A website that loads instantly on Brave takes like 5-10s on Firefox.

I tried reinstalling Firefox, tried a very fresh install w/o any extensions or my bookmarks but it still felt very slow on two different devices and networks as well. Tried disabling ipv6—which improved the loading speeds by about 1-2s. But then I pulled the plug and completely switched to Brave Origin. TBH I love it. It's snappy AF. Has none of Vanilla Bravd BS and has an adblocker as strong UBO.

It literally does. If it doesn't work, Graphene blocks it.

I use it quite literally every day at work for embedded web tools.

I use it at home with esphome.

They are blocking based on browser signature. CalyxOS does the same thing.

Troll account

Surprisingly enough when using the Origin build of brave I saw no measurable difference in fingerprinting artifacts after reviewing the list from EFF’s Cover Your Tracks and browserleaks.com

I haven't done a really big audit of the two yet to determine their differences in fingerprinting, but ostensibly its a different browser and has a much smaller userbase and it would be harder for you to hide your fingerprint. Linux is an even smaller subsect of a subsect and likely has only maybe a couple thousand users on Linux's Origin. If you don't care about that so much and stick to open source websites its not a very big deal if you're just trying to avoid big tech algorithms.

It is a pretty big browser at this point though. It is also generally more resilient to the shenanigans that websites pull to track you over other browsers due to their hardened containers between tabs. Firefox is a bad choice for this reason alone, the sandboxing is nearly nonexistent, even Tor Browser advises you to stick to one tab only. And for similar reasons, you should never install Brave through Flathub until Flathub-Next fixes the nested containerization issue that tampers with Chromium tab containers (170k people have done so regardless of this).

Yeah, the result was weird to me too. I've been meaning to message the devs to get a concrete answer but I've been lazy.

All the rest read, acknowledged and agreed.

(for anyone reading this in the spooky future, we're mainly discussing browser fingerprinting and other privacy technologies. Context matters, buckos)

Ironfox's DNSes are slow, just disable Ironfox's internal DNS, optionally use a VPN, and you're good to go.

I'll try disabling its DNS, thanks.

Edit: I've installed Ironfox once again. This time with "Default Protection" under DNS over HTTPS. I'm surprised how fast the browser is. It might even be a tiny bit faster than Brave.

I don't care what you believe. Several people in this thread dont use Ironfox because of its slow performance.

Where do you find websites that takes 5-10 seconds for you to load on Firefox?
Neither of the news sites, forums or self-hosted webuis I use take close to that. Even when I set disable caching and reload something heavy like the steam storepage I can't get the browser to take 5 seconds to load it in.

How do you feel about being a part of giving Google control over the whole browser ecosystem by using a Chromium based browser?

Literally all websites are slower NGL. I wish that wasn’t happening but it is since the last few months and doesn’t seem to be getting better. I can’t use it in this state. I tried to find what’s wrong—using it in default state, disable and enable ipv6, enable and disable DoH, change my router DNS, change my Laptop DNS, Enable and Disable Extensions, Disable and Enable HW Acceleration, use various user.js (betterfox and arkenfox both), reinstalled Firefox with a fresh profile—but it’s still happening. I tried Librewolf as well and still the same issue. I can’t even submit an issue because there is nothing conclusive of what’s happening here. The only thing that is left is to reinstall the OS on both my systems. Switching to Brave Origin is much easier and fixes all the issues for me. So as much as I would like to use Firefox (because I love everything about it and want to support something other than chromium), it not usable for me especially when I have a relatively fast internet (250mbps) and strong and recent hardware.

What part of a site loading is it that slows down to 5 to 10 seconds for you? What does the Network tab show?

Very secure ransomware with high utility-value is still ransomware.

If it spies on you until you pay the creator, it’s ransomware.

I don’t use Firefox, but go off

2 minutes to load a web page?

I just went to a random sample of 5 web pages and took 1 to 3 seconds to load. And my internet isn't great either.

I am not really trying to argue with you, I am curious why some people have no issues and others do. But 2 minutes? Really? Something would have to be very wrong.

Yep. That's poor messaging on my part. Sometimes it gives the old not supported message (and in fact it doesn't work), other times it just doesn't work.

many sites do this for cookies, no one cares about GDPR. hell, The sun is literally based in the UK and while they aren't in the EU now they still have a GDPR implementation, yet they've been doing this for years.