THIS.

Reform after reform after reform doesnt shatter the the system that causes the septic tank to get more and more filled up it with dirty water simply redirects the dirty water to other places. THATS why neoliberalism started to take off after the 1960s cause the decrease in living standards experienced by global northerners inn the 70s meant that resoucrs and labour needed to be milked out of another population: The Goobal Southerners. The majortiy of labour hours worked today are worked by Global Southerners and every simgle Global South country trades more of its resources and labour time than they are given by global north countries except fot North Korea.

You have to just destroy whatever the dirty water is coming inside from once and for all: the billionaires and their bribed piggies and the systems of economics and human interactiom that put tjem into power in the first place.

You have to eliminate the problem of capitalism once and for all, you cant let any little leaks to be left. Get rid of whatever floods in the dirty wster once and for all .No half-measures. We all saw how these half measures fucked over the USSR , Cuba(the Cuban Revolution is dead STFU stop lyong to yourselves), and eventually CHina and North Korea , right?. So ...no more half measures. No more reforms. Eliminate all soirces of the dirty water. No remorse.

....but the DemSocs are not some of us. Right?

Umm Im gonna be 💯 withbyou here (and ya just ban me IDC) and Ill say I dont see Dem Socs as part of us cause I legitimately believe that for every imstance in which anarchy or communiam is established for each region there will neber bee a process of 100% democratically elected socialist and anarchist community leaders. Like I actualy mean EVERY instance of successfully achieved anarchism or socialism, or even communism, in a region will HAVE to mean a unbleivable amount of death and slaughter of both the bourgeoisie AND the proletariat. BUT of mostly the bourgeoisie, because we will have to violently take back the governmental institutions, resources, etc... which they have stolen from us.

When has this not been the case? You brougjt up Allende. Uhh had Allende made CHile a seige socialist state like Kim Jing Un did NK then Socialist Chile might still exist till today, right?

Isnt this s why siege socialosm is so fucking common ? Because the capitalists and their bribed insider pigs keep on and keep on attempting to and succeeding to sabotage the socialist projects relentlessly , it leaves the socialists with no means but to resort to violence to the bourgeoisie elements both inside and outside the region. Youu brought up how maintaining the crimes of the bourgeoisie will be difficult under a democratic socialist system and thats true cause the former legal and economic institutions that were bought out or created to protect them ....are still there! Meanwhile if you just completely vaporize all members of the bourgeoisie , all their bribed institutions, and all those who took bribes to bodyguard for them this problem of bourgeoise crimes also vaporizes , no?

You cannot be 'democratically peacefiul' with cheaters whjo rig the game , SA your loved ones , massacre your entire extended family cause 'They were TooBlack©®™ or NotRichEnough©®™, and then have the legal and economic protections to paint you like a tyrant on the international stage.

They are socialists. They may not be effective, they may not hold the values you like, but they are socialists. I dont like the fact that current socialist Burkina Faso just illegalized my people, but they are socialists. Us does not mean carbon copy.

...... they arent socialist enough . you just said that they aremt socialist enough yourself!

Whats the point of being part of a big group of people if most of them are ineffective at achieving the group's goals? Nothing is substantial unless it can substatiate notable changes. Even 9 billiin DemSocs are less substantial, less worthy of our time than EVEN 1 real commie or anarchist.

Would anyone here trade 9 billion DemSocs for 1 Vladimir Lenin? (And you all better answer that question correctly...)

No need. You are right. But you are right primarily in Ethos not Pathos.

Disclaimer I'm very light on ML theory so may the community forgive me and the mods have mercy on me:

One perspective on a "liberal democracy" within which you would have democratic socialism might be: There are no ideological constraints except the chains of capitalism. Like that is the reality of western democracies today I think.

They might hold their nose and bla bla about far right and religious this or bad communist but everything goes. Nobody can censor anything because liberal values.

This means that fundamentally, those with the most power OUTSIDE of the state have the most power over the democracy. And that is the capitalists.

And the amount of influence capitalists or plutocrats or capitalist institutions or corporations have is vastly understated as to constitute a "big lie" a la Goebbels. Western democracies are ruled by an amoral "nonsentient amalgamated intelligence". A million individuals all greeding for their own piece of the pie be it wealth or power or just making it to the next paycheck. The true form of the "chains of capitalism" is a slime mold growing inside our heads. No other ideology that actually exerts power is allowed.

So how are you going to implement democratic socialism? You can't!

Nothing stops those with the most power from undermining you, fomenting sentiment, pushing propaganda and influencing the next election which will invariably be some neoconservative anti-commie bullshit.