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Daftydux
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-01-31 |
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TheLeadenSea
sh.itjust.works
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-06-04 |
If the AI is doing all the jobs we don't need a large young workforce and thus there is no underpopulation crisis |
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VeryVito
lemmy.world
VeryVito@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-30 |
No technology has ever resulted in lighter workloads for the average person. Different, and sometimes less strenuous, but never less time consuming. |
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Daftydux
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-01-31 |
No technology has ever resulted in lighter workloads for the average person. Different, and sometimes less strenuous, but never less time consuming.
So you really want to unpack that? |
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Skyrmir
lemmy.world
Skyrmir@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-02 |
So you really want to unpack that?
Labor competition prevents productivity gains from generating excess labor in capitalist systems. |
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Daftydux
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-01-31 |
Labor competition prevents productivity gains from generating excess labor in capitalist systems.
Then supply and demand must follow. Can I just cut you off at the pass and say its a myth that you can work your way out of poverty. The system isn't set up like that. |
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rockSlayer
lemmy.blahaj.zone
rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-02-24 |
AI is meant to automate the boring stuff so we can make art and write stories. Instead, it's been used to make art and write stories so all we're left with is the boring stuff |
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Daftydux
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-01-31 |
AI is meant to automate the boring stuff so we can make art and write stories. Instead, it's been used to make art and write stories so all we're left with is the boring stuff
Isn't ai art boring and ai stories insufferable? |
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Asafum
lemmy.world
Asafum@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-20 |
Why would "they" (the CEOs, tech bros, owners) be saying that? They own the means of production. They seek to profit from it entirely. They fight tooth and nail to not be taxed for anything whatsoever. In what universe would they "give" us anything? If our current system demands 80 hours of work/week to afford to live a normal life then the world of AI will still demand that 80 hours of work/week, but now with new and improved Less Jobs!™©® The future will not be a utopia. I'm thinking more cyberpunk with less technology. A lot of extremely poor people and a few megacorps. |
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surewhynotlem
lemmy.world
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-13 |
Then supply and demand must follow. Can I just cut you off at the pass and say its a myth that you can work your way out of poverty. The system isn't set up like that.
Demand for human labor lowers. So they hire fewer people and capture the savings themselves. It's never about spending more time with the family. It's all about paying less for labor. |
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rockSlayer
lemmy.blahaj.zone
rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-02-24 |
Isn't ai art boring and ai stories insufferable?
The ruling class doesn't care. |
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tburkhol
slrpnk.net
tburkhol@slrpnk.net Joined: 2026-05-01 |
Then supply and demand must follow. Can I just cut you off at the pass and say its a myth that you can work your way out of poverty. The system isn't set up like that.
Exactly. The system is set up so that people work for barely enough to survive. Introducing better tools doesn't give labor more free time, it gives their bosses more money. We've seen this with every technology since the cotton gin now: that's why no one imagines that AI will give people more time with their families. |
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Daftydux
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-01-31 |
Then supply and demand must follow. Demand for human labor lowers. So they hire fewer people and capture the savings themselves. It's never about spending more time with the family. It's all about paying less for labor.
Which they already optimize for. If we all make less we only widen the gap between the oligarchs and labor. Two classes that dont ever mingle anyway. |
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warbond
lemmy.world
warbond@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-07 |
If somebody invented a machine that literally doubles worker productivity, do you think a company would just let everybody work half as much? |
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Fallibilist
feddit.uk
Fallibilist@feddit.uk Joined: 2026-09-15 |
No technology has ever resulted in lighter workloads for the average person. Different, and sometimes less strenuous, but never less time consuming.
Washing machine. Also, lighter work loads and less time consuming are different arguments - unless you mean no technology has ever resulted in neither, which is a rather bold statement. |
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Fallibilist
feddit.uk
Fallibilist@feddit.uk Joined: 2026-09-15 |
A so called "solved world" is the best case scenario when it comes to AI but it's not guranteed nor can anyone give you a timeline for it. |
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ikt
aussie.zone
Eyekaytee@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-06-17 |
No technology has ever resulted in lighter workloads for the average person. Different, and sometimes less strenuous, but never less time consuming.
Yes in advanced economies we have weight problems because a significant amount of people sit around all day instead of toiling the field... but what has technology done for us lately! |
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Jo Miran
lemmy.ml
JoMiran@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-06-29 |
Then supply and demand must follow. Can I just cut you off at the pass and say its a myth that you can work your way out of poverty. The system isn't set up like that.
I worked my way out of poverty so although I agree with you, I think the wording needs specificity. You cannot work your way out of poverty by working harder at a poverty job. You have to switch jobs and grow your skill set until you become a valuable enough commodity to trigger competition for you. That just gets you out of poverty. |
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lntl
lemmy.ml
lntl@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-06-04 |
How about, instead of that, we return to feudalism? We'd all work for the technocracy in exchange the privilege of living on its land. Sound good? |
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Skyrmir
lemmy.world
Skyrmir@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-02 |
Then supply and demand must follow. Can I just cut you off at the pass and say its a myth that you can work your way out of poverty. The system isn't set up like that.
I had no intention of making the claim that work could lead to wealth, and honestly don't see how my comment would lead to it. |
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plantfanatic
sh.itjust.works
plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-05-25 |
No technology has ever resulted in lighter workloads for the average person. Different, and sometimes less strenuous, but never less time consuming.
Dish washer, laundry washer, laundry drier, lawn mower, a vehicle, there’s thousands dude. |
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Daftydux
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-01-31 |
I worked my way out of poverty so although I agree with you, I think the wording needs specificity. You cannot work your way out of poverty by working harder at a poverty job. You have to switch jobs and grow your skill set until you become a valuable enough commodity to trigger competition for you. That just gets you out of poverty.
Im saying, you can spend every day working very hard but that alone will not get you out of poverty. There are always political and social menuevrors you have to do or hit the lottery. |
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SchmidtGenetics
lemmy.world
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-02-05 |
No technology has ever resulted in lighter workloads for the average person. Different, and sometimes less strenuous, but never less time consuming.
Pretty sure every piece of technology past the wheel can be considered to save humans time with their tasks. |
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ReCursing
feddit.uk
ReCursing@feddit.uk Joined: 2025-02-04 |
AI is meant to automate the boring stuff so we can make art and write stories. Instead, it's been used to make art and write stories so all we're left with is the boring stuff
No it's not. It's a tool used by PEOPLE to help with those things. AI is not creating pictures for other AI to consume yet but I appreciate your enthusiasm |
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ReCursing
feddit.uk
ReCursing@feddit.uk Joined: 2025-02-04 |
Because fear sells more papers than hope |
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Jo Miran
lemmy.ml
JoMiran@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-06-29 |
Im saying, you can spend every day working very hard but that alone will not get you out of poverty. There are always political and social menuevrors you have to do or hit the lottery.
Yes, I am agreeing with you, and I figured that's what you meant. I am just clarifying for anyone else reading. |
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Daftydux
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-01-31 |
I had no intention of making the claim that work could lead to wealth, and honestly don't see how my comment would lead to it.
You just havent followed that path enough. |
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Maeve
kbin.earth
Maeve@kbin.earthJoined: 2024-06-16 |
Washing machine. Also, lighter work loads and less time consuming are different arguments - unless you mean no technology has ever resulted in neither, which is a rather bold statement.
Then it takes more hours to pay for the machine. |
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pawb.social
Kolanaki@pawb.socialJoined: 2024-10-06 |
Because you'll only get the time to spend with them; not the means to feed and house them or yourself. |
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Maeve
kbin.earth
Maeve@kbin.earthJoined: 2024-06-16 |
I worked my way out of poverty so although I agree with you, I think the wording needs specificity. You cannot work your way out of poverty by working harder at a poverty job. You have to switch jobs and grow your skill set until you become a valuable enough commodity to trigger competition for you. That just gets you out of poverty.
That world is gone. |
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Maeve
kbin.earth
Maeve@kbin.earthJoined: 2024-06-16 |
Dish washer, laundry washer, laundry drier, lawn mower, a vehicle, there’s thousands dude.
That cost labor to buy. |
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JustPlainDave
lemmy.zip
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-09-09 |
Washing machine. Also, lighter work loads and less time consuming are different arguments - unless you mean no technology has ever resulted in neither, which is a rather bold statement.
Counterpoint: The cotton gin. It was supposed to make slavery obsolete, but actually reinvigorated the practice of slavery by making slaves able to do more work. |
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JustPlainDave
lemmy.zip
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-09-09 |
No it's not. It's a tool used by PEOPLE to help with those things. AI is not creating pictures for other AI to consume yet but I appreciate your enthusiasm
It's a tool used by lazy and/or untalented people to take work from actual artists. |
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JustPlainDave
lemmy.zip
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-09-09 |
The cotton gin was supposed to make slavery obsolete. |
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Daftydux
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-01-31 |
Counterpoint: The cotton gin. It was supposed to make slavery obsolete, but actually reinvigorated the practice of slavery by making slaves able to do more work.
Then everyone should be happy for the new job creators |
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Daftydux
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-01-31 |
Yes, I am agreeing with you, and I figured that's what you meant. I am just clarifying for anyone else reading.
No hate |
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9point6
lemmy.world
9point6@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-12 |
There's two main reasons: If the thing that takes the labour away from the workers is owned privately, it will not benefit the workers. If we do not drastically change how the economy works, people not being able to work to exchange their labour for income means they starve and die |
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uhmbah
lemmy.ca
uhmbah@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-11 |
At this time, governments and corporations do not value people. Citizens and workers. Instead of the government supporting citizens, they're now at War with citizens by taking the rights away. Corporations, don't want to pay us or treat us humanely. They are eager to replace us. Nobody is going to pay us to do nothing. |
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Daftydux
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-01-31 |
At this time, governments and corporations do not value people. Citizens and workers. Instead of the government supporting citizens, they're now at War with citizens by taking the rights away. Corporations, don't want to pay us or treat us humanely. They are eager to replace us. Nobody is going to pay us to do nothing.
Everyone is going to starve and we all accept that fate? |
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SkavarSharraddas
gehirneimer.de
SkavarSharraddas@gehirneimer.de Joined: 2024-06-16 |
For that you'd need to get rid of the concept of "work for a living" so that instead economic productivity is taxed and paid out to all citizens as a universal basic income. Arguably that's a long overdue change, because less human labor needed due to automation should be a good thing, not threaten workers' livelihood. But (similar to Covid) that would also put a light on those whose work we as a society value and need to keep going and the current discrepancy of how little a lot of them are paid vs the societal uselessness of a lot of those with a lot of money. |
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JustPlainDave
lemmy.zip
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-09-09 |
Then everyone should be happy for the new job creators
What new job creators? |
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Daftydux
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-01-31 |
There's two main reasons: If the thing that takes the labour away from the workers is owned privately, it will not benefit the workers. If we do not drastically change how the economy works, people not being able to work to exchange their labour for income means they starve and die
I just dont believe we will ever reach consensus until a certain class of people miss a few meals. |
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Daftydux
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-01-31 |
Because fear sells more papers than hope
Fear ruined me. Learn from it. |
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Daftydux
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-01-31 |
What new job creators?
The ai over lords |
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JustPlainDave
lemmy.zip
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-09-09 |
The ai over lords
They haven't created any jobs. |
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Daftydux
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-01-31 |
Why would "they" (the CEOs, tech bros, owners) be saying that? They own the means of production. They seek to profit from it entirely. They fight tooth and nail to not be taxed for anything whatsoever. In what universe would they "give" us anything? If our current system demands 80 hours of work/week to afford to live a normal life then the world of AI will still demand that 80 hours of work/we...
Because they dont own you or your heart. |
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Daftydux
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-01-31 |
The ruling class doesn't care.
I know what to do with a ruling class that doesnt care |
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Daftydux
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-01-31 |
Exactly. The system is set up so that people work for barely enough to survive. Introducing better tools doesn't give labor more free time, it gives their bosses more money. We've seen this with every technology since the cotton gin now: that's why no one imagines that AI will give people more time with their families.
Then then the argument isn't about jobs and feeding that narrative is unproductive |
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Daftydux
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-01-31 |
If somebody invented a machine that literally doubles worker productivity, do you think a company would just let everybody work half as much?
At my company |
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Daftydux
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-01-31 |
A so called "solved world" is the best case scenario when it comes to AI but it's not guranteed nor can anyone give you a timeline for it.
Pretty good scenario if you ask me |
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Daftydux
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-01-31 |
How about, instead of that, we return to feudalism? We'd all work for the technocracy in exchange the privilege of living on its land. Sound good?
Ok |
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