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ohulancutash feddit.uk ohulancutash@feddit.uk
Joined: 2025-02-16
#102 · Quote Reply

I just checked my copy of the book. Even though it was first published in 1939, my copy was still published under the original titlein 1963.

It was altered in the 70s, around the same time the Thomas book was altered.

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011011 sopuli.xyz 011011@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2026-09-20
#103 · (edited) Quote Reply

One of the favourite English poets amongst a certain grouping of people

Amongst the people with influence who set the curriculum in England for a very long time. He wasn't some fringe artist with unusual views.

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mobyduck648 lemmy.world mobyduck648@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-05
#104 · Quote Reply

You cannot use the term "cherry-picked" to refer to a man who is such a prominent cultural icon. His art captured the essence of an era. It's even more valid when taken in light of more recent wars of colonial aggression involving the UK in which the terminology and lies used mirror the justifications of the 19th century. The behavior and attitude of the UK government towards former colonies wh...

Nor can you select the worst examples of someone else's country to defend America's conduct on patriotic grounds which is blatantly what's happening here.

There's a massive Americentrism problem in the wider West that both the US left and right wingers absolutely hate being challenged, they are exactly alike on this issue as far as I am concerned.

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011011 sopuli.xyz 011011@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2026-09-20
#105 · (edited) Quote Reply

Kipling has been subject of debate since the height of his career. it would be inaccurate to claim he represented unchallenged universal attitudes.

Who said anything about "universal"?

The views of the Anglican church have been debated for centuries that doesn't negate their power and influence. Theirs was very much the voice of the establishment, ala Kipling.

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ohulancutash feddit.uk ohulancutash@feddit.uk
Joined: 2025-02-16
#106 · Quote Reply

Doesn't matter, the word is rooted in homophobic intent.

So is “gay”. Language evolves. Being a linguistic originalist would be a hard and eccentric hill to die on.

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011011 sopuli.xyz 011011@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2026-09-20
#107 · (edited) Quote Reply

Nor can you select the worst examples of someone else's country to defend America's conduct on patriotic grounds which is blatantly what's happening here. There's a massive Americentrism problem in the wider West that both the US left and right wingers absolutely hate being challenged, they are exactly alike on this issue as far as I am concerned.

Who here is defending America?

Reminding the world that Britain has done a lot of evil and exposing how contemporary Brits justify said evil acts does not equate to defending America.

Some of us can walk and chew gum simultaneously. Cute deflection though.

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OozingPositron feddit.cl OozingPositron@feddit.cl
Joined: 2023-06-12
#108 · Quote Reply

fuck censorship. historical context is important when referencing historical facts. society must be reminded of why language like this is no longer acceptable in order to keep it unacceptable, lest we forget.

Isn't it "lest"? Not a native speaker so I don't really know.

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GreenKnight23 lemmy.world GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-09-21
#109 · Quote Reply

Isn't it "lest"? Not a native speaker so I don't really know.

huh, so it is.

I always thought it was spelled the same just said differently similar to read(red) and read(reed).

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mobyduck648 lemmy.world mobyduck648@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-05
#110 · (edited) Quote Reply

Who here is defending America? Reminding the world that Britain has done a lot of evil and exposing how contemporary Brits justify said evil acts does not equate to defending America. Some of us can walk and chew gum simultaneously. Cute deflection though.

Come on, this whole thread is basically Americans shitting on Britons because Britons don't generally put American PoV goggles on when discussing racism.

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BoxOfFeet lemmy.world BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#111 · Quote Reply

he doesn't even look sorry

Henry wasn't sorry, it was on purpose. He was celebrated. I have read the entirety of The Railway Series to my daughter twice (I do substitute in "coal" for the aforementioned slur). There is some crazy shit in there. Engine body horror.

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BoxOfFeet lemmy.world BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#112 · Quote Reply

It was altered in the 70s, around the same time the Thomas book was altered.

Well, now I am going to have to go home and check my copy of Thomas. Because I totally remember that line.

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varjen lemmy.world varjen@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-12
#113 · Quote Reply

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrTxww_AIsI

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Silic0n_Alph4 lemmy.world Silic0n_Alph4@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-09-14
#114 · Quote Reply

The canonical history book The Island of Sodor expands on this: Since 1922 there have been two Henrys… We never saw Henry I, but we talked to men who had crewed him. Henry I had a superficial likeness to Gordon, they said, but that was as far as it went. They remembered hearing rumours of a scandal at Doncaster in 1919 or thereabouts, about the theft of some drawings. Nothing was proved, but it...

I really respect your answer, but surely The Island of Sodor should be considered a separate canon rather than more canonical than The Railway Series? I don’t have a copy, given it’s sadly been out of print for around 40 years, but does it include things like talking, sentient, opinionated steam engines? ;)

Henry the Green Engine reads:

Then I expect you were sorry for Henry who was often ill and unable to work. He gave Sir Topham Hatt (who is, of course, our Fat Controller) a lot of worry. Now Henry has a new shape and is ready for anything. These stories tell you all about it.

"Cheer up, Henry! It wasn't your fault. Ice and snow caused the accident. I'm sending you to Crewe, a fine place for sick engines.
They'll give you a new shape and a larger firebox. Then you'll feel a different engine, and won't need special coal any more. Won't that be nice?"
"Yes, sir," said Henry doubtfully.

Henry liked being at Crewe, but was glad to come home.

He is clearly the same Henry in terms of personality and memories, post-rebuild, even if he has miraculously morphed into a Black 5. If The Island of Sodor takes a more realistic approach, that’s fine, but even your quote says “rebuilt” instead of “scrapped”.

That Thomas-as-the-ship-of-Theseus meme that did the rounds on Lemmy the other week springs to mind…

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Tattorack lemmy.world Tattorack@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-10-28
#115 · Quote Reply

Don't even get started with Tintin.

I don't think Tintin is publishing anything today... Or recently. Not anything new, anyways.

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ohulancutash feddit.uk ohulancutash@feddit.uk
Joined: 2025-02-16
#116 · Quote Reply

I really respect your answer, but surely The Island of Sodor should be considered a separate canon rather than more canonical than The Railway Series? I don’t have a copy, given it’s sadly been out of print for around 40 years, but does it include things like talking, sentient, opinionated steam engines? ;) Henry the Green Engine reads: Then I expect you were sorry for Henry who was often ill a...

The Island of Sodor was intended to be fully canon, as a sourcebook for parents reading to children who wanted more detailed information about the world of the books in order to answer questions. It’s just more in-depth.

You can think of it as the Railway Series being the simplified ELI5 version, and TIS being the “real” version. For instance, the RS only mentions Sir Topham Hatt, without the clarification given in TIS that this relates to a father or his son depending on in which period of Sodor’s history the story is set.

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yucandu lemmy.world yucandu@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-03-12
#117 · Quote Reply

So is “gay”. Language evolves. Being a linguistic originalist would be a hard and eccentric hill to die on.

Being a linguistic originalist would be a hard and eccentric hill to die on.

Well good I'm glad the UK has abandoned that principle, it was getting a bit pretentious.

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estrange_alien leminal.space estrange_alien@leminal.space
Joined: 2026-02-19
#118 · Quote Reply

And nobody denied that. The statement was "racism was normal in those days", and not "the n-word wasn't racist in those days".

it was as normal as it is now. so what’s your point?

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estrange_alien leminal.space estrange_alien@leminal.space
Joined: 2026-02-19
#119 · Quote Reply

Again, nobody said that. You keep just making shit up.

nobody is making shit up except the propagandists who spoon feed us this idea that we are so much more enlightened now we were in the olden days. i mean, look around you.

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waz feddit.uk waz@feddit.uk
Joined: 2023-06-13
#120 · Quote Reply

So is “gay”. Language evolves. Being a linguistic originalist would be a hard and eccentric hill to die on.

What? Gay always meant happy, jolly etc. it was repurposed and gets weird if used by its original meaning.
My good man, how queer! Just means ‘quite odd’, sounds very old fashioned, but never ever meant anything else.
What a gay day!

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ohulancutash feddit.uk ohulancutash@feddit.uk
Joined: 2025-02-16
#121 · Quote Reply

What? Gay always meant happy, jolly etc. it was repurposed and gets weird if used by its original meaning. My good man, how queer! Just means ‘quite odd’, sounds very old fashioned, but never ever meant anything else. What a gay day!

Gay meant happy. Then it was used as a perjorative to infantilise homosexuals in part to justify medical and judicial intervention. It was later reclaimed and has its current usage.

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