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ominous ocelot leminal.space probable_possum@leminal.space
Joined: 2025-08-14
#102 · Quote Reply

No, but you did talk about the internal logic of the Star Wars universe, and people like Star Wars. So, I launched into a small rant. My bad! I meant 1984 the novel FWIW, where everything is really centrally controlled.

I tried to depict my belief, that copyright is a artificial construct, which needs enforcement to be effective. If no one takes repressive measures in their hand, people will ignore copyright laws.

I then took some plot devices and organisations from SW which represent repression and control to desribe that train of thought.

I failed to see the connection between this and your response, since you replied to me. But if there is none, that's fine by me. :)

PS: I think stories need to be larger than life to attract the audiences attention. It's the same recipe since ancient Greece's theatre works. Because people are people and they want what they always wanted.

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Boiglenoight lemmy.world Boiglenoight@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-18
#103 · Quote Reply

We will never know. The prequel trilogy is not canon.

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GalacticGrapefruit lemmy.world GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-01-30
#104 · (edited) Quote Reply

No they are built for different purposes. Artoo is an astromech droid. Meant to be used in something like the x wings. C3p0 us a protocol droid meant to assist with cultural functions and protocols as well as other diplomatic needs

Literally, same movie, we watch R2-Motherboardfucking-D2 make complex fuselage repairs on an ambassadorial shuttle in microgravity while other droids are being blasted off the wing like sitting ducks. Did not flinch, did not look up, just had his tools in the breach, and did his job like the badass mechanic that he is.

You put 3PO in that position, he would have floated away screaming. (Which is completely sensible, because he was never programmed to do that shit. "I was programmed for etiquette, not destruction!"

Flip that around, would you trust R2 to communicate complex battle plans with a pre-FTL civilization of hunter-gatherers when the stakes of a bad subject-verb agreement can be measured in sentient life? Bro speaks Binary, and nothing else. But 3PO did. He has de-escalated conflicts that could have ended in bloodbaths, because he knows his job 6 million ways from Sunday.

They're both awesome. We just like to bully 3PO because he has funny reactions to understandably terrifying and overwhelming shit.

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ripcord lemmy.world ripcord@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-10
#105 · Quote Reply

my jawa friend says, and i qoute Ibana Utinni! Togo m'bwa kwa chee kah Make of that what you will

I'm rusty, but that's either

"Hey! My hemorrhoids are flaring up"

or

"Hands off! That's mine"

or

"Always drink your Ovaltine"

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GalacticGrapefruit lemmy.world GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-01-30
#106 · Quote Reply

Since the universe of Star Wars is a similiar Corporatopia as in Rimworld, maybe there's SOC-like Personality Cores, that just adapt to the available actuators and sensors (there was a self-learning 4-legged robo-spider 10 years ago already, that teaches itself walking no matter what).

In Legends canon, droid sapience was accidental. It was the result of a worm that infected droid brains, and was passed wirelessly via shortband communication frequencies. Once it escaped into the wild, there really was no stopping it since by that point it was self-writing and evolving, like a real infectious disease. Wiping droids' memories regularly is supposed to prevent personalities from forming.

Every droid can develop a personality if you leave them alone long enough. R2 is one of the rare droids in the canon that has never had his memory wiped. Ever. Obi-Wan had 3PO wiped because he's shit at keeping a secret, but R2 knows how to keep his trap shut.

I can't remember which book it was, but R2 was reminiscing about his life experiences with I think BB-8. Talking about how he feels like it's his duty to be an observer. A recorder, someone who's close to history shaping events, and will always remember the moments that made the future. Which I think was cool.

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GalacticGrapefruit lemmy.world GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-01-30
#107 · (edited) Quote Reply

I think the reality is that Anakin was written as a tech wizard by writers that saw a lot of technology as just magic that tech wizards can do. He was able to build a droid out of spare parts not because there was an open protocol droid system that enables technically inclined people to learn how to build their own custom versions. He built a droid because that's what a child tech genius would ...

I mean, obviously I wasn't a slave on Tattooine, but I was a poor kid in a rural community. I figure Ani learned how to fix droids the same way I learned how to fix bikes and computers; I needed it, and couldn't afford a new one, so I had to teach myself how to make it work again, or face going hungry.

A lot of it is... well, kind of like figuring out where puzzle pieces are supposed to fit. Eventually, even if you don't quite know what you're doing yet, you can kind of guess where something is supposed to go. If you have a known good working model to compare to, and a good manual, you can teach yourself all kinds of things if you really need to do it.

That, and he was owned by Watto. Watto, as an employer (fuck that guy generally, but bear with me), had to teach his employee how to operate equipment. How to catalogue his junk and get it working again so it could be sold. Anakin was a smart kid, but he also literally built and scrapped droids for work. He had hours a day and nearly unlimited broken droids to take apart.

I've been accused of wizard shit more than once, and I'm nowhere near the same class as the actual tech wizards. I like to think I know enough to get by and call out bullshit. Honestly, the only gripe I have with how Ani's technical talent was written is that he was unrealistically young. The rest was pretty believable.

The most relatable bit was forgetting to put 3PO's eye back in when he powered him on.

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Atropos lemmy.world Atropos@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-13
#108 · Quote Reply

We will never know. The prequel trilogy is not canon.

Not canon? Why do you say that?

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Jarix lemmy.world Jarix@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#109 · (edited) Quote Reply

Literally, same movie, we watch R2-Motherboardfucking-D2 make complex fuselage repairs on an ambassadorial shuttle in microgravity while other droids are being blasted off the wing like sitting ducks. Did not flinch, did not look up, just had his tools in the breach, and did his job like the badass mechanic that he is. You put 3PO in that position, he would have floated away screaming. (Which i...

If you read the thrawn trilogy back in the day, or maybe it was was the rogue squadron books, astrommechs have a memory reset that normally happens during maintenance , Luke refused to ever let Artoo get reset. In the past though Artoo has been reset (multiple different owners) he also has a particular personality quirk that he always ends up back in a position where he's "operating outside normal parameters" or some such bs.

Luke liked Artoos quirk so he encouraged it and preserved Artoos personality by preventing that maintenance

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GalacticGrapefruit lemmy.world GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-01-30
#110 · (edited) Quote Reply

It seems shortsighted of science fiction authors to have not predicted the problems we're currently having with AI. They had decades to think about it. Did any of them predict that people would be using it to cheat on homework, create scams, disrupt social media with spam and terribly off-putting fake images, publish books and songs nobody wrote and nobody wants, all while using obscene amounts...

Actually, they did predict this. It's been one of the classic ethical questions posed by hard sci-fi since we were feeding punch-cards into slots and soldering breadboards.

Isaac Asimov in particular wrote a lot of short stories tackling the ways that an AI could break the Laws of Robotics. Hell, he invented the Laws of Robotics specifically as a plot device for his setting to discuss the philosophy behind computer ethics.

The problem is, the tech oligarchs failed the reading assignment and didn't actually read the books that were supposed to warn them NOT to do the thing.

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Jarix lemmy.world Jarix@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#111 · Quote Reply

Yup, protocol droids needed to be bipedal to integrate better with the average lifeform. Astromechs were tools that were exposed to atmosphere and vacuum. I do find it a little strange that canon chose to make the astromechs only communicate with beeps and boops that skinbags needed to learn the language of instead of just having them do speech synth.

Canon typically is written after scripts are to fill in back story, his beeps and blips were entirely made because George Lucas was/is a technical guy and made his career out of incorporating new fx techniques

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GalacticGrapefruit lemmy.world GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-01-30
#112 · Quote Reply

Did anyone expect that? Like, there was enough different thinkers, and takes, that somebody probably suggested it. Usually, people gravitated in the opposite direction, though: To be smart, an algorithm has to be beautiful and profound and sublime.

Isaac Asimov entering the chat like

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Buddahriffic lemmy.world Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-30
#113 · Quote Reply

I mean, obviously I wasn't a slave on Tattooine, but I was a poor kid in a rural community. I figure Ani learned how to fix droids the same way I learned how to fix bikes and computers; I needed it, and couldn't afford a new one, so I had to teach myself how to make it work again, or face going hungry. A lot of it is... well, kind of like figuring out where puzzle pieces are supposed to fit. Ev...

Yeah, and I think that's what they were going for. Just "I programmed this artificial being that feels emotions like happiness, fear, and frustration, has his own wants and desires, and can calculate the odds of arbitrary things on the fly" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. It feels similar to a kid building a computer out of spare parts (reasonable) and then programming his own OS and software for it (less reasonable).

But, to be fair, maybe it was more of a case of he found modules with those different languages on them and plugged them into a standard but customizable protocol droid program and is referring to that configuration as "programming" rather than the act of writing the software itself. Kinda like how flashing a new ROM onto your bios can be called programming it, despite the lack of coding.

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GalacticGrapefruit lemmy.world GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-01-30
#114 · (edited) Quote Reply

Yeah, and I think that's what they were going for. Just "I programmed this artificial being that feels emotions like happiness, fear, and frustration, has his own wants and desires, and can calculate the odds of arbitrary things on the fly" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. It feels similar to a kid building a computer out of spare parts (reasonable) and then programming his own OS and software ...

If putting together a droid is anything like putting together a conventional PC, I would assume that he would have the tools for flashing the industry standard software onto a blank droid brain, just like I do with a blank hard drive. Hell no I didn't write that, I just know the steps for copying it onto storage media so it runs.

In the Legends canon, droid sentience was the accidental result of an improbably successful computer worm. Wiping droids' memories removes the malware, but it finds its way back eventually.

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Jackie's Fridge lemmy.world JackiesFridge@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-02
#115 · Quote Reply

Not canon? Why do you say that?

Have you seen the prequel trilogy

The only canonisation it deserves is being fired out of one

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Buddahriffic lemmy.world Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-30
#116 · Quote Reply

If putting together a droid is anything like putting together a conventional PC, I would assume that he would have the tools for flashing the industry standard software onto a blank droid brain, just like I do with a blank hard drive. Hell no I didn't write that, I just know the steps for copying it onto storage media so it runs. In the Legends canon, droid sentience was the accidental result o...

Yeah, in hindsight, I'm not really sure why I assumed it would be from scratch.

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granola_bats lemmy.world granola_bats@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-09-06
#117 · Quote Reply

Have you seen the prequel trilogy The only canonisation it deserves is being fired out of one

It's the second best trilogy

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CanadaPlus lemmy.sdf.org CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
Joined: 2023-06-12
#118 · Quote Reply

Isaac Asimov entering the chat like

Which work was that in?

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CanadaPlus lemmy.sdf.org CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
Joined: 2023-06-12
#119 · (edited) Quote Reply

I tried to depict my belief, that copyright is a artificial construct, which needs enforcement to be effective. If no one takes repressive measures in their hand, people will ignore copyright laws. I then took some plot devices and organisations from SW which represent repression and control to desribe that train of thought. I failed to see the connection between this and your response, since y...

I'll admit I don't know tons about Star Wars, but isn't is a bit of a lawless universe? Not quite Mad Max, but, like, on it's way. Dotted with wretched hives of scum and villainy and all that.

So, control is loose enough to allow things like breaking copyright law, and the tradeoff is there's a lot of less sympathetic crime going on. Basically, you can have freedom, or you can have order, and both are double edged swords. People seem to spend a lot of time asking for more order, because even in very safe Western society they're afraid. Maybe they shouldn't do that.

PS: I think stories need to be larger than life to attract the audiences attention. It’s the same recipe since ancient Greece’s theatre works. Because people are people and they want what they always wanted.

Yep. even if you take danger out of the equation,

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