As you can see, it says nothing about researching, troubleshooting, reverse-engineering, etc. As long as you write and understand the code yourself AI is allowed for everything else. As long as you’re not using generative AI it’s fine.

I'm not sure if you're joking or legitimately confused, but, assuming the latter, fyi the "AI" that people use for "researching, troubleshooting, reverse-engineering, etc" is part of what is called "generative AI". Given this, it's not much a stretch to read it as saying that even posting in Nura forums about the existence of @sv1sjp@lemmy.world's github repo would actually be a violation of Nura's policy (as of today; I expect it will evolve in the not-too-distant future).

I've used AI for low level debugging on things that are basically undocumented to fix my personal machines, doesn't eliminate the trial and error process but it's gotten me farther a lot faster than if I were to do it on my own.

that doesn't mean 'everything'

I said basically.

Neither does it mean that the majority mode of production of the world will be capitalism tomorrow.

Wanna bet? I close my eyes, sleep, wake up sometime (hopefully) then check.

Christiania

Intentional anarcho-communistic commune somewhere in the middle of Denmark. Denmark is fine with it because it's making tourist money. It's like a cool fact, like "did you know there's a place where people avoid using money". Obviously, they go out sometimes. Apart from that, stuff done there that is only "ethical outside of capitalism" isn't ethical for the outside world. If someone does vibecoding there and considers it ethical for some reason but not outside (like the de facto lack of enforcement for intellectual property because it's no longer needed), people outside still can't use the work ethically. From what I've heard, they aren't even really good with computers there, and I am not aware of any attempts to make their own.

can only be trained by data harvesting corporations

What is the problem here? The data-harvesting part or the corporations part?

Both? Some people don't want data harvesting yet it's done. The CEO gets capital, so do investment companies and maybe some client companies.

EDIT: even if the electricity is sourced "ethically" (no), the compute itself is attributing to climate change.

You create a false dichotomy.

That's fair. It would certainly align with the described "spirit" of the policy. Hopefully it becomes clearer in the future.

I said basically.

Ah, so there are alternatives.

Wanna bet? I close my eyes, sleep, wake up sometime (hopefully) then check.

If you can sleep as long as Rip van Winkle, you might see it change.

(Obviously the error margins are huge, but I expect capitalism to stop being the majority economic system in the world in about thirty years. Emphasis on the 'about'.)

anarcho-communistic commune

Okay, so mentally children. Expect nothing significant from them.

Both? Some people don't want data harvesting yet it's done. The CEO gets capital, so do investment companies and maybe some client companies.

I don't think data harvesting per se is going away. Even in an ideal world, the state would need to collect a lot of data about people to efficiently allocate resources (i.e. budget correctly). As for corporations, the CEO getting capital, and so on, those are results of capitalism.

Huh, Nura? I like the name PostmarketOS better, but that's just me.

Cool that you got it working with ai, but I hope that doesn't become a standard in device porting. Sure with proper vetting the code can be ensured to be maintainable, but that code had to come from somewhere. These systems don't just magically know how to make software work, so it sounds like they're probably just referencing code somewhere else that could be under any kind of copyright. Sounds like a legal nightmare waiting to happen.

The thing I'm really hoping for is these general purpose mobile Linux systems being ported to the plethora of bootleg retro handhelds out there. The majority of these devices already have unlocked bootloaders and are super friendly to third party firmware. The problem is people are only porting these hyper minimalist emulation-focused Linux builds when there's so much untapped potential.

One of the issues there is that I will most likely not recognise them by the time they get there, due to all of the other zombies/crypto-bros/trash, many of whom are clearly frequenting this sub now.

the fourth is only a problem if you believe in the whole ‘intellectual property’ charade

wtf

"Intellectual property" is mostly a capitalist idea. To give a direct example of the harm caused by LLMs using others' work without attribution or credit, there is the recent case in which one of the models was being portrayed as finding a mathematical proof which was actually in it's training data. The original authors will not get the credit, academic support, exposure and funding they would have gotten otherwise.

Also, even if information is not "owned", it's epistemology and source are an important part of it. Consumption by LLMs degrades the information by removing such metadata, and even worse hallucinating sources.

I have a pinephone pro, seems like manjaro bricked it and I can't flash the rom again ...Any theories on what to do?

one of the models was being portrayed as finding a mathematical proof which was actually in it's training data. The original authors will not get the credit, academic support, exposure and funding they would have gotten otherwise.

If the original authors have published their findings somewhere (journal / conference / arXiv), they will definitely get the credit from other mathematicians.

it's epistemology and source are an important part of it.

I don't know about all AIs, but deepseek does cite sources. You can always cross-check them.

"Everyone who disagrees with me is a lesser person"

Idealists' favourite coping method

No coping, "idealist" is not the slur you think it is, and it isn't even relevant to this.

ai is owned and controlled by really dodgy people. If you watch videos of jensen huang, sam altman, alex karp, elon musk etc, and don't see anything wrong, you are what is wrong.
trump is a huge fan...

You are the only person who is to blame for your lack of standards.

Well well well, you have something to xiaomi.

Unfortunately the proof found by the LLM combines work by different teams of mathematicians that cannot individually be published as proofs. It's the equivalent of a scoop in investigation journalism by someone who was spying on journalists instead of doing any investigating. It's on lemmy/wired: https://lemmy.world/post/52843754

It's good that some do cite sources, however one major problem with generative AI is that it can produce volumes of output much faster than they can be verified. "You can always cross-check" is not viable at scale, and by the time LLM output gets cited, it becomes a quagmire potentially unlimited levels deep.

LLM output should never be treated as original until they can show their work transparently.

China is an imperialist force in East Asia

According to western media, thinktanks and commentators comfortably sitting and circlejerking in the imperial core, yes.

It is destroying every non-Han culture and religious expression within the CCP controlled areas.

Easily disproved by random travel bloggers that travel China e.g. Xinjiang and Tibet

"Idealism is not relevant to this discussion"

proceeds to use purely idealist arguments

Idealism is not a slur, but the philosophy that liberalism is built on. It posits that reality is shaped by people's ideas in their brains.

This leads to all sorts of horrifying stuff:

1. People try to make their lies reality by trying to force other people to believe them.

2. People dehumanize people who disagree with them since only human's ideas are the ones that supposedly shape reality.

3. Whenever the idealists' ideas don't become reality, instead of questioning their ideology, they can just blame everyone who disagreed with them, for "bending reality the other way".

united states people using ai... what could go wrong

You clearly wouldn't know an ideal if you walked into one.

Set your bar a little higher.

You should maybe learn the meaning of words before trying to use them, idealism does not mean "having ideals". Idealism is the counterpart to materialism, and has been explained to you in another comment. But sure, that's one way to respond, I guess.

"You should maybe learn the meaning of words before trying to use them"

ironic, but no one expects logic, or honesty from aiholes

I mean the distinction is something you learn in secondary school usually, I really can't help you there, but you can keep throwing your strange little hissy fit if you want.

According to western media, thinktanks and commentators comfortably sitting and circlejerking in the imperial core, yes.

No. They may be dishonest, but that doesn't mean they will have to lie about every single thing. And it is not just westerners, but also South Koreans, Japanese and SEAsians too.

Easily disproved by random travel bloggers that travel China e.g. Xinjiang and Tibet

Carefully chosen and curated. Why is Chinese Muslim content only food and never religious sermons? Where are the Christians preaching their beliefs? Where are the children studying the Quran and the Bible?

*Finnish forest

It's Palantir (or maybe it was just of one of the founders?) that bought a large chunk of land in Sweden, but to my knowledge they haven't made their plans for what to do with public

No it is not just westerners

Names western aligned vassal states

Ok

Asks questions because they are uninformed

You're aware Xinjiang has one of the highest amount of Mosques per capita right? Here's further reading on the sub

• What's going on with the Uyghurs / Xinjiang province?
• XinJiang: Facts vs Fiction.
• Debuking America’s slopaganda about the Uyghurs in China
• A Pakistani Diplomat given full access to “re-education camps” and this is what she found.
  • Despite claims of "erasing Uyghur culture", they stated: "I did not find any instance of forced labor or cultural and religious repression. The imams we met at the mosques and the students and teachers at the Xinjiang Islamic Institute told us that they enjoy freedom in practicing Islam and that the Chinese government extends support for maintenance of mosques all over Xinjiang. The most visible sign of protection of Uyghur culture by the government is the government-run bilingual kindergarten schools where children learn Putonghua as well as Uyghur language and culture from a very young age."
• The grandaughters of Rebiya Kadeer (Once the richest woman in Xinjiang, and now a member of the "Uyghur world congress", a Washington DC headquartered org claiming that China is oppressing Uyghurs), talking about how their grandmother is lying about Xinjiang.
• Egyptian media delegates provide a detailed insight of the situation in Xinjiang
• China's policies in the Xinjiang Uyghur autonomous region lift 1.85 million people out of poverty from 2014-2017.
• Dan Cohen - Is China committing genocide? Behind the US goverments propaganda campaign.
• Redsails - The Xinjiang atrocity propaganda blitz
• RodericDay - A thread about the key sources for Uyghur Genocide (Especially Adrian Zenz).
• Chollima report - Who is Adrian Zenz? The Christian Fundamentalist Leading the Global Xinjiang Narrative
• BayArea415 - american debunks major western propaganda on Uyghurs and Xinjiang
• Dr. Asata Bair - The six basic problems of the Uyghur genocide narrative.
• Nuance - The sad truth about Muslims in China.
• The Xinjiang "Genocide" - an excerpt from the Genocide panel.
• TheCanadaFiles - Subcommittee report declaring “Uighur Genocide” dominated by researchers and groups funded by CIA cut-out, National Endowment for Democracy.
• US fuels terrorism in China.
• Wiki on the Turkestan Islamic Party (has a full list of terrorist attacks committed by east turkestan separatists)
• About the TiP (Turkestan Islamic Party)
• The TiP militants fighting in Syria.
• Alan Macleod - In 2018 the US Was at War With Uyghur Terrorists. Now It Claims They Don’t Even Exist.
• China’s Xinjiang Problem – Made in USA.
• Numeves: US Col Wilkerson - Why the US is in Afghanistan and Pakistan, in 2 minutes.
• US Col Lawrence Wilkerson admits to USA involvement in fomenting civil unrest in Xinjiang China using Uighurs.
• Former FBI Agent turned whistleblower Sibel Edmonds talks about how US-funded Gladio operatives from Turkey have been smuggling out young Uyghurs, turning them into militants, and sending them back to poorer areas in Xinjiang to commit terrorist attacks, as part of an effort to destabilize Xinjiang and disrupt Chinese trade.
• No, the UN did not report China has ‘massive internment camps’ for Uighur Muslims.
• What about Democracy now and the Intercept's claims about the Uyghur camps?
• The better cotton initiative, a global advocacy group for cotton laborers, found that no forced labor was taking place in Xinjiang.
• Religious freedoms in China explained.
• Thousands of Muslims from the Uyghur province make Hajj Pilgrimage yearly. 11k Chinese Muslims travel from Xinjiang on free chartered flights to Saudi Arabia for the Hajj, in 2019.
• EU rejects China offer of Xinjiang tour.
• The sources for an Australian documentary about the uyghurs, turn out to be members of the FSA and TIP, right wing, ultra-nationalist Turkish terrorist orgs. The two men with links to terrorist groups were interviewed on nearly every Australian TV station for a week. 2
• A wikileaks cable from 2011 shows that the US coordinated with groups to incite separatism in Mongolia, XinJiang, and Tibet.
• If China Is Anti-Islam, Why Are These Chinese Muslims Enjoying a Faith Revival?
• A New York Times "expose" of re-education centers in Xinjiang lied and mistranslated every claim.
• Reddit holds an AMA for an "Uyghur Activist", who turns out to be Rushan Abbas, a CIA agent who worked for Homeland Security, Department of Defense, Department of State, Department of Justice, and various U.S. intelligence agencies, and even worked at Guantanamo bay, the US muslim torture camp. 1 2
• Reddit holds yet another AMA with Sophie Richardson, the "China director" at the US soft-power regime-change agency Human Rights Watch. The comments expose her as not speaking chinese, and spreading blatant lies about China. 2
• Reddit holds another AMA with a grifting author, Amelia Pang, who wrote a NYTimes best selling book about going undercover into an Uyghur prison. It turns out that she worked for the Epoch Times for many years, and also never visited or talked with a single prisoner. Her book is based on extrapolations from a 1991 film. She leaves the AMA after leaving all the top questions unanswered.
• A case study in Anti-Chinese racism.
• Debunking an article from the intercept about Uyghurs.
• A debunk of a buzzfeed article that used google maps as its primary source.
• Zenz makes a claim that 500,000 tibetans (1 out of every 3 working age Tibetans) are in forced labor camps.
• Breaking down the BBC's visit to XinJiang.
• BBC gets caught doctoring an image from a vlogger in China to make it look depressing, then quietly reverts their change after getting caught.

Seems like you replied to the wrong comment

Your spelling suggests otherwise

From what I understood from that article, OpenAI scooped the work of a couple of mathematicians (one an OpenAI employee, and both using OpenAI's tools) and claimed it as their own. Stealing others' work is not commonplace in science, but it does happen. The lesson here is to not trust OpenAI / Anthropic with your data or ideas, and to use local AI or at least less shady services. Also, the mathematicians will still get credit if they publish the findings first in a scientific journal, arXiv or conference - blogs and press releases sadly don't count in academia.

Wtf are you on about? Did you have a stroke?

Link dump doesn't answer my questions. Most of these are irrelevant anyway.

Show me videos of Chinese Muslims preaching their religion openly in the mosques. Show me videos of Uyghur Muslims openly praying Eid. Show me videos of Christians in China preaching their religion.

Why is Chinese Muslim content only about food and old mosques? Where are the newer mosques? Where are the preachers outside of Hong Kong?

You did the exact same thing that Zionists do when they get cornered. "Arabs in IDF", "Look Arabic singposts in Tel Aviv", "Hamaas is terrorists" etc.

No real difference.

You still seem to missing a lot of the story. Open AI published several hundred articles in scientific journals claiming to solve maths problems. At my last count they had retracted 3.

If you would like to downplay the scale of theft and unethical behaviour enabled and perpetrated by OpenAI by calling the scientists naive or saying it's acceptable because it happens, that's your right. Perhaps you could just say what would convince you that something bad and dangerous for human scientific progress is happening.

Took me literally a single query:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRUZcrSUDVc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moADAgQFCuA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYMADibMY4Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4vBJtioHrQ

If netanyahu would do the same what the CPC did in Xinjiang as a response to terror, he'd get a Nobel peace price (vocational school, teach mandarin, give full citizenship)

It is destroying every non-Han culture and religious expression within the CCP controlled areas.

The first one is from China mainland, not Uyghuristan.

Quite the goal post move

Yes, China does keep a few tokens here and there to whitewash its image.

Sounds like cope when presented with something that contradics your ideology.

The very fact that you would call response to occupation and cultural erasure as “terror” should make one question your intelligence.

I question your intelligence when you side with the ETIM terroritst organisation as designated by the UN, EU and even at one point by the US (until they realized they can fund them in order to destabilize their geopolitical enemy)

No, they published them on GitHub. Meaning they aren't peer-reviewed. In the current scientific system, peer review is almost always necessary for your work to be taken seriously. If the original authors can get their work published first, they still get precedence. Plus, there have been a number of cases where X discovers and publishes something, Y rediscovers and publishes it a few years later, and Y gets the credit for whatever reason (usually racism or money).

The scientists were naive to hand over their ideas to a shady closed-source model. I don't think what OpenAI did is acceptable, but it is something that already happens without any LLM involvement, so I'm just not as shocked as you are.

Being published on Github makes it not as bad, though it seems the intent is for the peer review to happen there.
I also don't think I need to point out the harm in forcing people to publish before they are ready by stealing their work.

In at least some cases, the mathematicians shared their work with OpenAI researchers asking to collaborate. I'll accept your acknowledgment that it's bad and ignore the irrelevant dig about being shocked.

it seems the intent is for the peer review to happen there

That's not how this works! That's not how any of this works! You submit to some journal, who sends your work to 2-3 other scientists in the field (often anonymously, to reduce bias). There are cases of scientists ignoring journals and just posting their results to repositaries like arXiv, but that's the exception rather than the rule. Anyway, GitHub is not an acceptable place to publish your findings, since it allows you to make changes later on.

the harm in forcing people to publish before they are ready by stealing their work.

That, again, is an issue that existed long before LLMs.

I know that's not how it's supposed to happen. But the Github repository is getting attention and review, like this: https://kingy.ai/blog/openai-math-722-manuscripts-results-proofs-compute-costs/

I still don't get if you're still trying to excuse something bad and getting worse due to AI by saying it was always happening. I have acknowledged that it was happening.

Again, all you have is my lack of articulation and not the problem itself. Typical Western(ised) moron.

Terrorist? Yeah, brown people should have no agency. Exactly the speech used by Zios to demonise Arabs.

Again, all you have is my lack of articulation and not the problem itself.

It's your lack of critical thinking. Your ideologically confused

Terrorist? Yeah, brown people should have no agency.

Typical liberal that only focuses on identity politics and completely disregards class politics and imperialism.

Agency is of course when the US gives you diplomatic support and utilizes you to destabilize their geopolitical enemy /s

Exactly the speech used by Zios to demonise Arabs.

When you compare what the China does in Xinjiang with what the Zios are doing in Gaza/middle east your doing a form genocide denial dipshit