I agree with all that, but I'd say a hot coffee avoids all of that. It won't leave a ring, there's no noisy ice you might chew on, and it's sipped slowly, so it's not very distracting. Just don't slurp, or leave it behind.

Your questions can and will be used against you. If you are sniffing around after a toxic work culture, a toxic work culture will sniff that out and reject you.

Sounds like a win to me. I don't see the problem.

8h of interview? New age torture chamber?

it’s because you want a talented individual

this shits from fortune 500 hr gits hiring warm bodies

as someone who has also been involved hiring for engi roles

i would give zero shits, long as the person was pleasant in resolving the accident

if anything being able to see their behaivor under stress is a good thing

You can't bring coffee or drinks of any kind into a cleanroom environment so bringing one during the interview says to me nothing because if you get the job you're still not bringing coffee into the cleanroom. You can drink it outside and you can vape and smoke and get a tattoo in between your ball sack or buttcheeks but none of that will ever be done in a cleanroom environment. "One" other thing you are not allowed to do in a cleanroom is wear hair spray or aromatic aerosols or perfumes or makeup or clothing that sheds, or play loud music or wear your headphones or wear baggy clothes or not shower or bring your shoes or spit, pee or poo. But you can do all those one things outside. There are rules for every job and the rules may prohibit you from doing things you would otherwise do. Like doctors don't drink coffee during a surgery right over the open cavity. I'm not sure if a doctor may be allowed coffee on a table nearby. I'm not a doctor, so I don't know. A car mechanic could probably be allowed to drink coffee or other drinks while working on a car. A stunt pilot cannot be driving coffee during flight. A racecar driver also cannot drink coffee from a coffee cup while driving during a race. They might be able to drink from a helmet straw. So in sort I don't care what you drink during an interview.

then think its OK to ask their wife how they would feel about a three-way with her sister.

But some questions need to be answered dagnamit!

Got any asterisks?

In my previous job, we interviewed people for several positions, usually 4 to 6. Each area was looking for different things, so multiple interviews made sense, then it was up to each area if they wanted to make an offer. We'd include break for lunch and get non-managers to take them for lunch so they could chat. So not one 8h interview, several one hour interviews. This is pretty common with large organizations.

Their loss, not mine. Inagine the stupid shit they're firing people for there.

I've taken more than enough psychic damage from the arguments over this but I'm really glad this place has a smaller ratio of people blindly defending the arbitrary and superficial unspoken criteria of corporations when it comes to deciding who does/doesn't deserve to live.

It's bad enough living in a world where someone's dumb-ass incorrect perception of you can drastically make your life worse, but I especially don't want to live in a world where the working class not only accepts that but deliberately reinforces it. - Vire (vi/vim)

I interview candidates several times per year. I cannot imagine caring if they're drinking a coffee during the interview. I often am drinking coffee or water. We need competent people who are good collaborators. Paying attention to irrelevant nonsense would be shooting ourselves in the foot. I have to work with and rely on these people afterwards to get stuff done. If I miss out on a good person because I needed a power trip, I'm the one who suffers.

Wow, crazy how article went from "iced coffee" to "everything is racist and white people are evil."

How about don't bring ANY drinks to the interview, except maybe water.

No it has nothing to do with racism, psycho author.

I'm an engineer. Typically I interviewed with various disciplines and bosses. Lunch was usually a softball interview to make a candidate more comfortable. The last interview I had, I was considered a high value interviewee (not sure if I deserved that) but it meant I was asked to give a presentation during lunch. It can be pretty brutal honestly. Some places are worse than others. I heard that Google and Agilent would sometimes ask candidates to solve equations. There's no way I could perform like that in front of people.

To bring it back to the topic, I do think it would be a bad look to bring in a Starbucks to the interview.

I'm often hungry during rounds of interviews, so I like to bring a bucket of KFC.

wouldn't likely show up in a suit for a job at the Mc Donald's drive-thru.

Aaaand that's why you didn't get the job

/s

My last job had nitro cold brew on tap and we offered it to the candidates because we want them to want the job. That's what it really comes down to: is the employer competing for candidates or is the candidate competing for jobs. Where does the power lie. That's all that matters.

Why can't you have iced coffee in front of a customer? I am not primarily customer facing but do a lot of integration and onboarding work in the field and have brought way weirder things to customer sites. Like a whole gallon of tea, and a six pack to put in their fridge for later.

Nobody - and I cannot stress this enough - fucking cares. Unless the job is some fake corporate butt sniffing gig where none of the people involved actually do any real work.

I legitimately cannot conceive of any situation where I would care what kind of drink a candidate brought with them. All I care about is that you make the right shapes on the white board and don't give Trump supporter.

I get recruited a lot and occasionally agree to do an interview just to stay on my toes, and I am 100% going to bring a mega-gulp sized ice coffee, and wear a tshirt that says "Iced coffee fan" the next time I do this.

Actually I might order catered iced coffee for the entire office.

Same. I am going to start talking about how much I fucking love iced coffee in phone screens from now on.

If some HR fuckwit wants to make this a thing then I will allocate a solid portion of my smug to it.

You mean the client expectations which were created last week over a fake social media controversy by people who literally have nothing better to do than shitpost on LinkedIn? Sorry we do enough actual work that we aren't up on LinkedIn meta.

Brother, I promise you I can sell a customer on the idea that we are just that fucking good, that our iced coffee rebellion is exactly what they are looking for. Because we actually are very fucking good at what we do.

The way I see it, this whole "controversy" is a lot of people who don't actually do real work telling on themselves.

I'd give you bonus points for booze as long as you bring enough to share. Good culture fit and generous?!

It's wild to say that drinking something will make you look bad to an interviewer. It's even more wild to write paragraphs of text defending it.

As long as you always offer sharies you'll do good.

Never said I defended it, in fact first thing I said was that you should be able to. I said I've played the game for a long time and have learned the arbitrary rules, and honestly do pretty well in interviews. Feel free to do whatever you want, as I said to others, it's your job prospects, not mine.

Might be more loke turning away Steve Jobs because he doesn’t shower and stinks.

Interviewers corporations just found another way to be cunts about something. Congrats on your record.

You must be a white dude

I have twelve years of experience working at a bunch of different companies. I'll be okay.

You mean the client expectations which were created last week over a fake social media controversy by people who literally have nothing better to do than shitpost on LinkedIn?

No. I just know to not being a drink into a client meeting. Throw it out beforehand.

Brother, I promise you...

People promise things all the time.

I have been working professionally, at a high level for 20 years and have never heard any commentary about bringing drinks to meetings until literally this week. Get off of it. It's not a thing.

Could be different professions, different markets, different cultures. You also came to me.

This place has a large portion of people who are here because they got tired of reddit's shit and wanted something better.

I think the type that thinks being arbitrary about this stuff is ok mostly stayed at reddit because they are used to accepting arbitrary shit.

And I think the type that defends this are either the bootlickers hoping to get brownie points for supporting the boss' arbitrary shit (or sometimes the arbitrary shit they assume the boss supports), or they are the type that enjoys abusing any power they get to make arbitrary judgements, sometimes even hypocritically because they don't oppose the thing itself but are currently using it to lord over someone. The ones of those that are here are probably here because they were reddit mods and left after a power struggle with reddit admins and are doing similar shit here, though maybe not as extreme given that so many are only here after getting tired of power abuses.

Emphasis on captive.

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Wow I could never imagine bringing iced coffee to an interview. Why? Because coffee makes me need to poop like immediately. If I need to rush out mid interview because I might shit my pants, I'm probably not going tk get the job.

LOL. I like your moxie.

then think its OK to ask their wife how they would feel about a three-way with her sister.

I can never understand how relationships are supposed to function at all if one person would take issue with honest communication. That's not a relationship I would want to be in. But idk, maybe I just don't understand straight people.

Well, this is from a straight male perspective and the issue here is a straight women, so maybe it's the blind leading the blind, but basically straight women want to be the only woman their male partner is interested in and anything that threatens that is extremely destabilizing. Confessing you want to fuck her sister, someone who is in your life and very possibly available, and also very possibly a relational threat (because there's a lot of commonality already), would be planting a seed of doubt in her mind. On top of that, because the damage is obvious, such a question raises the possibility that the male partner is either cruel or callous or inconsiderate or really desperate to sleep with the sister.

Anyway, it's good that this is an old comment, because someone argue that women can be just as sexually free and promiscuous as men, to which I say, yes, absolutely they can and it's fine if they are, but they're much less likely to be.

Yeah, I mean, I'm a queer polyamorous woman so very much in a different world (perhaps within your "much less likely" category :p). I do see where you're coming from; I guess there is a difference between being honest if asked something like "do you want to fuck my sister?" (maybe stupid question to ask if a yes would be hurtful, but imo very important to not lie), and your original example of asking carelessly and unprompted if it would be okay to do so, which does raise a lot of questions as you say.

I do think it's fundamentally unrealistic even within monogamy to expect your partner to never be interested in anyone else, but probably realistic to expect them not to take steps towards being with someone else without a very careful conversation first. And that conversation is much better done before there is any particular person in mind, otherwise it can come across as "I want to date this other person more than you, but also I like the security of this relationship" etc etc.

I'm a monogamous hetero cis man, and I've never had to advocate or filter for a polyamorous relationship. There is a pro-forma declaration of monogamy pretty early when I'm dating, but I feel like the contract has already been written and communicated in a million small and subtle ways before then, and from my limited experience, that the contract is non-negotiable.

I'm guessing there are subtle signals we put out that indicate where we stand on things, and maybe those signals mutually filter people out before a conversation even needs to be had, so maybe we're all working with self-selected population bias...

That said, the common complaint of straight cis women in dating is that there are a lot of fuckboys out there, who are just interested in sex, and surely the men quickly realize that being upfront about what they want is disqualifying on a near population-wide level, so they quickly learn not to communicate what they really want.

Hetero pessimism, in a nutshell.

Yeah, the problem is (speaking from experience as well as theory), mononormativity is so strong a force that poly people often get pressured into monogamous relationships (consciously or not), and then only realise that they feel differently from mono people when already in a monogamous relationship. Usually there has been a declaration of monogamy, but assenting to that is not exactly always a free choice, especially since the cultural norm is that that is the only way a relationship can progress. So it's not pure implicit signals leading to self-selection, and explicit contract-making doesn't solve the problem.

That said, the common complaint of straight cis women in dating is that there are a lot of fuckboys out there, who are just interested in sex, and surely the men quickly realize that being upfront about what they want is disqualifying on a near population-wide level, so they quickly learn not to communicate what they really want.

It does seem like this happens; it's also pretty bleak. It seems to lead to a lot of lying and deception, and destruction of the social fabric. Norms among queer and poly people seem to me to be more functional, but I am surely biased. See also !are_the_straights_ok@lemmy.blahaj.zone

About 10-3 years back I've had an interview about every year - I've been a contractor, working from home, as a developer, and each time I've been recruited into a new round of contractors that were let go at the end of the year (had nothing to do with skill). I've worked from home, and I smoke shisha, so naturally I usually had one going after lunch, which is where most interviews took place. I've even eaten lunch during some. Apart from a few times being told - one recruiter said if I know they are vegan lol - nobody really minded. I've been accepted on more than I haven't.

Of course, I've had a highly paid job, and I don't think anyone minded that I do something at my own house.