You absolutely can not use it to quantify impurities. All you can really do is say whether it starts and finished melting in a range that's consistent with the claimed substance. It's a starting point, and that's all. But if you're melting fairly far out of range - like 3C or more - and you know that your equipment is correctly calibrated, then you know that there's some kind of significant issue.

For illicit drugs, there are a few services in the EU that I'm aware of that will run a form of quantitative testing, HPLC and mass spectrometry. IIRC - I know nothing about analytical chemistry - they need a pure sample to compare against; they can't just run their tests and then search a giant database and tell you what you have. But if you have a few kilos of MDMA, and you're worried about it being contaminated with fentanil, it's definitely worth the couple hundred dollars it costs.

responsible users

Bit of an oxymoron there...

Bro I am not going to have this argument a second time in the same thread. So to save me the mental anguish of countering your uninformed claim, I implore you to please read my replies to Pratai@piefied.com who basically said the exact same thing as you. I only have so much patience for ignorance.

Blocking you too now. Goodbye.

Your replies where you implied that anyone who drinks alcohol or takes a medically approved medicine tests it before use, and descended into incoherent rambling and ad-hominems when challenged..?

Already read them, thanks; didn't see any convincing arguments.

No such thing as responsible recreational drug use (and that includes alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, and any other legal addictive drug, including medicines except under the supervision of a doctor).

You're not special. If you use addictive drugs your risk of getting addicted is the same as anyone else's, no matter how “responsible” you are. Chemistry is not subjective.

And in most cases (especially in the case of alcohol and tobacco, but also with most other recreational drugs that affect brain function or produce toxic fumes) you'll eventually become a danger to yourself and probably others. That's literally the opposite of being responsible.

Dealers HATE it when you pull out this bad boy, seriously it's a huge buzzkill I wouldn't recommend it

hplc-ms can definitely be used with just a database since the ms fragmentation pattern is characteristic for a given compound. it's more accurate with some internal standard especially for quantification but there's typically a uv-vis absorption spectrometer module too so you can compare against the database ε as long as all the peaks are well separated and you can identify them from the ms. but the margin of error will be a lot higher than getting the offset of your analyte from a set of standards of known concentration.

Itt a shocking number of people know a lot about meth

You're absolutely right, although in my experience 3 C is not a huge span when it comes to m.p. determinations. Even a 1% impurity can throw off a measurement, and that's why melting points are often given as a range rather than a single number in the literature.

Nowadays, you absolutely can run an unknown sample against a test battery and find composition and quantity down to a pretty good degree. There are test kits for the powder/solution as well as for blood samples. In the case of blood samples they also focus on metabolites. The motivation is that if someone arrives at the hospital with an adverse drug reaction, if they have used illicit drugs the only way to figure out what they have in their system may be to check against the metabolites in their blood.

The gist of it is that the chromatography equipment will separate the components into "pure" fractions, which are called "peaks". That will be a Liquid Chromatograph (LC), its High Pressure version (HPLC), or for some sample matrices a Gas Chromatograph (GC).

What actually happens is that different components move at different speeds throughout the column, so they leave the column ("elute") at different times. Commonly this stream is then connected directly to a detector, and for this type of application the Mass Spectrometer (MS) is the workhorse.

It works by turning the sample into a vapor and then bombarding it with electrons which causes the molecules to disintegrate in a signature pattern. The stream of ionized molecule fragments is accelerated perpendicular to a voltage (like how an old CRT TV works), which means that fragments with lower mass will change their trajectory more than fragments with higher mass. (The charge of each fragment also matters here.)

Finally the fragments hit a detector array which registers counts for the different fragment masses that were in the molecule for that fraction from the chromatograph.

Here's the cool part: the mass fragment signature is such a good fingerprint of a molecule that it can be compared to a database with tens of thousands of known substances, and usually give a pretty good match. Also, an analytical chemist that is experienced in MS can often figure out what molecule they're looking at just from the mass spectrum and maybe a couple of simple hints.

Not saying it's "complicated", just at it takes skill to do consistently and at speed.

Theremin!!! Learn It. Know It. Live it.

I have seen Angelo of Fishbone fame rock the shi out of one right after I was handed an illicit substance, which cued me to christen it a GOD-WAND!

The documentary shows so many other excellent applications.

Which documentary... I just keep getting hits for a '70's women in prison movie 😂

Sorry, it's in here somewhere. This link should take you to comment where I posted IMDB and image. https://sh.itjust.works/post/67951901/27933731

Awesome :-)

I'm definitely going to watch that tonight 8-)

I need to track down a copy myself, now that you mention it.