The more info they have about you, the worse it gets.

And even if the company just uses your right to privacy just to make money through ads. You can be sure they will get hacked by people with even less morals.

They can use all that data to open a bank account on your name and commit tons of tax fraud.

Who do you think they will arrest? That is right, you.

And getting out of that will always cost you tons of time, effort and money. So good luck.

The smart part isn't the problem.

The internet connection is.

Use smart devices on protocols like Z-Wave or Zigbee, which set up their own separate network. And then prevent the controller from ever reaching the internet so none of the devices can access it. Through things like Mac Blacklisting.

You will still be able to access everything while on your local network.

"We value your privacy. We sell it to the highest bidder for a lot of moolah"

Sounds like a generic botnet along with TVs, app based home cameras, routers and such.

Anyways, I remember some old story I've read, not idea if true or not, but someone was going over .sh files of a past employer and one of them telneted into a coffee machine (that reportedly nobody else knew had telnet) and made it brew coffee in just the right timing for the person to walk there and put a cup in the machine for coffee to start pouring right away. I guess that's one actually good use for a "smart coffee machine"... Or they could wait. Unless they are paid hourly and the coffee break isn't included, somehow.

Until you're wanted for murder and your fridge habits prove your alibi and you're exonerated.

I just worry we're not going to have a choice.

Be honest, that would get dismissed.

But if it proved you were are the crime scene however....

they can sell the data. that's what.

all those habits will be used to build a profile used to create a custom marketing ads for you.

Was it using the cloud to analyze the genome of the beans?

Still seems like another moving part that will eventually lead to my food not being cold because something broke.

Or you could just get an inverter compressor and have a quiet fridge.

Everything you said is true except the last part.

It's bad for the capitalistic companies to have less consumers. No condoms = more people = more consumers = more data = more $$$

Telnet lacks auth. It needs ssh.

Tell that to the person from the random story who left some random company, and maybe whoever designed the machine

Yeah, this is what happens when you roll your own coffee protocol.

They should have just stuck to the standards.

Yeahhh when I buy a fridge I don’t want to have to reconfigure my whole ding dang life just to make sure it works sort of okay and isn’t stealing my data.

No just no

It's a valid worry but I think there will always be companies wanting to make cheaper models. You might have less choice of brand, but probably not no choice.

So.... How do we pronounce IoT? Is it I O T or eye-aught?

The issue is actually why it needs to run a entire OS just to brew coffee with 5 or so options over remote?

A more legit use case is checking status. Is the coffee ready?

While I really don’t want to compliment Samsung, my “smart” range has a config to disable/enable remote operation. I can see when it’s on, what temp it is, when the oven is up to cooking temperature and when the timer goes off, I get notifications but assuming no holes or bugs it cannot be controlled remotely.

You might ask why they would ever allow “enable” but that’s a different question. They probably feel they have to because the “smart” feature costs way too much money for notifications and statuses.

My previous LG fridge with an inverter controlled linear compressor was loud. It liked to run the compressor at 60Hz a lot, which fit my concrete apartment badly, so I had loud spots and quieter spots. Sounded like a car was idling outside. The compressor was mounted too rigidly, so the vibration conducted to the frame, making the fridge body work as a loudspeaker diaphragm. The cold air fan was loud too, whooshing. The best feature was soft start from a short stroke, so it sneaked up to full noise over a minute.

My current similar LG likes to run the compressor at a much lower frequency, producing infrasound, below hearing range. The cold air fan is quieter but still bothersome sometimes.

What about people who are doing other things?

• I’m getting dressed and would like notification when the coffee is ready
• I’m out doing yard work, but want to be notified when the laundry is done so I can feed the next load

While I could do one thing at a time, or use a clock or at a timer, getting the notification makes it stress free

Think of it as equivalent to the dryer buzzer. It used to notify us when the laundry was done so we can start the next load, but apparently we need a more complicated way to do that

You can get all that locally without having everything hoovered to the cloud.

What kind of fucking psychopath leaves the fridge open for 2 minutes?

assuming no holes or bugs

Well, that's the problem with IoT devices, isn't it.

A more legit use case is checking status. Is the coffee ready?

Isn't that the story of the first webcam?

Rhyme with coyote.

https://lemmy.world/post/52877231

Define computer. Good espresso machines use a PID controller and some have ways to tweak the pressure curve + other features. There are even DIY projects to make your own. I think the part that bothers you is the data collection and internet connection. That is 100% not necessary.

Yup. xcoffee, it is called, as in coffee for X11

How can I take it "out of context"? I replied to a single sentence comment and said comment is right there.

If you're only against the coffee maker having an internet connection (and I agree on that), maybe you should've phrase your comment differently, I guess.

Yup, on that we can agree.

Plus there’s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_Text_Coffee_Pot_Control_Protocol

The problem is there are easy and well understood ways to prevent that are easier and cheaper, yet manufacturers decide not to use that.

We have several local-only network protocols for exactly this. For residential use, notably Zigbee, z-wave, or Thread, and all of them have much cheaper radios than WiFi. The key benefit here is local only, no direct internet connection.

The only problem is you need a hub and historically not everyone is ready to set one up. However now that Apple, Amazon,and Google are building them into their devices, tens (hundreds?) of millions of people are already set on that

The point is some of the functionality is useful and desirable, even if manufacturers make poor choices in implementation

Hard disagree. Built a Gaggimate, can download custom shot profiles and upload shot logs for tasting notes.

LG is notorious for really shitty compressors that resulted in a class action lawsuit. Not the best example

The context is everything before the comment. “Coffee maker”, in this context, pretty clearly means an automatic drip-brew coffee machine.

It would be like if we were talking about basketball, and I said, “my net is made of chain, as it should be”, and you were to reply, “how dare you, nylon is a perfectly fine material for fishing nets.”

The other sentence in my (apparently single sentence) comment, “As it was for 60 years”, should also have maybe been an indicator of what I meant.

So did they allow it to connect to their wifi or did it somehow force itself onto their wifi?

Just curious, because it seems simple to simply not give them access and I'm wondering if I'm missing something.

This isn't an onion article? Is Skynet trying to learn how to make the perfect cup?

Antivirus updates - it was Microsoft coffeemaker 🤕

close, keurig, the worst kind of coffee machine

My bad, it was a single line comment. Quite a pedantic thing to remark, but ok.

“Coffee maker”, in this context, pretty clearly means an automatic drip-brew coffee machine.

I don't think anyone is disputing that or confused about it. It's precisely what my response was about.

It would be like if we were talking about basketball, and I said, “my net is made of chain, as it should be”, and you were to reply, “how dare you, nylon is a perfectly fine material for fishing nets.”

Awful analogy. The brewing method changes the taste of the cup, a lot. A more adequate comparison would be saying that there's only one way to make pizza. It's not a minor detail. Even the net thing would be a weird thing to say, though.

Seems like you where the one confused after all. Oh well.

Why the fuck does a coffee maker have internet access?
What, you downloading porn with your fucking Keurig?
What the fuck is wrong with people.

Not defending. But it can be used to send notifications when the door is left open or the temp is too high. Same with *washers when they send you notifications when they're done or when there is an issue.

The problem is that cooperations are gready bastards, instead of using the tech to do just that, they mine it to get more out of their customers.

Look at cars, a screen is great to show reversing camera and navigation, but the greedy automakers use it to display ads, spy on your habbits, replace physical buttons, ... etc

I don't know, but guessing they connected it to wifi because the thing asked / said it was part of the set up process.

Most people don't know about the garbage fire nature of connected devices.

I O T

whoever says it different, is definitely a psychopath

I rent an apartment, and there is a fridge. Three buttons - temp up, temp down, door alarm. The fridge repeatedly asks for wi-fi access whenever I turn on bluetooth. Fucking hate those times.

I admit, I don't drink coffee at all, but this Gaggimate thing look interesting.