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iamthetot
piefed.ca
iamthetot@piefed.caJoined: 2026-01-08 |
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Rhynoplaz
lemmy.world
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-07 |
How can this ever be sustainable without a huge monthly subscription? |
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Katana314
lemmy.world
Katana314@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-09 |
How can this ever be sustainable without a huge monthly subscription?
Ask Anthropic! I hear they worked out a solution. |
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SkunkWorkz
lemmy.world
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-08-26 |
So they didn’t even do the math for a basic cost forecast before launching the demo. Also this shit makes them vulnerable for bad actors. Just put this game on several PCs and run it 24/7 to bankrupt them. |
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lepinkainen
lemmy.world
lepinkainen@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-11-26 |
AI powered games don’t work. We did a super cool project for a game jam last year. Cost like 50c per game for us. Cool for the 100 or so players who tried it, but there’s no way to make a profit from it. Local models maybe. |
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Mordikan
kbin.earth
Mordikan@kbin.earthJoined: 2025-06-05 |
Another engineer I work with had a really well put description of proper AI implementation that really applies to this: "AI should help you build the automation, AI should not be the automation." |
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frustrated_phagocytosis
fedia.io
frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io Joined: 2024-03-03 |
That sounds like the most boring game imaginable and I hope they go bankrupt from it |
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pawb.social
Kolanaki@pawb.socialJoined: 2024-10-06 |
That sounds like the most boring game imaginable and I hope they go bankrupt from it
Guess you've never heard of Desert Bus. |
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Rhaedas
fedia.io
Rhaedas@fedia.ioJoined: 2024-03-03 |
Guess you've never heard of Desert Bus.
I have. Sometimes boring has a weird attraction. |
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frustrated_phagocytosis
fedia.io
frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io Joined: 2024-03-03 |
Guess you've never heard of Desert Bus.
Does Desert Bus require tokens? If not, carry on. |
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Rhaedas
fedia.io
Rhaedas@fedia.ioJoined: 2024-03-03 |
AI powered games don’t work. We did a super cool project for a game jam last year. Cost like 50c per game for us. Cool for the 100 or so players who tried it, but there’s no way to make a profit from it. Local models maybe.
For just simple and guided actions and dialogue, local would be fine for this. Or better, have AI design the large database of what to say or do when a player does things. No need to reinvent what players are going to duplicate. The token cost was worse when you consider all the same stuff being prompted over and over. |
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Davel23
fedia.io
Davel23@fedia.io Joined: 2024-03-16 |
The AI disclosure on Steam claims the sister's voice is generated by a local model. If they're being charged for tokens I somehow doubt that. |
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Ledivin
lemmy.world
Ledivin@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-09-27 |
For just simple and guided actions and dialogue, local would be fine for this. Or better, have AI design the large database of what to say or do when a player does things. No need to reinvent what players are going to duplicate. The token cost was worse when you consider all the same stuff being prompted over and over.
If they're actually hitting a cloud LLM, there's no good reason not to wrap that and memoize the results... it would probably be hard to generalize the inputs (it could just be the whole game state for all we know 🤷♂️) but youd build up that database of all the most common input/outputs in real-time |
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Rhaedas
fedia.io
Rhaedas@fedia.ioJoined: 2024-03-03 |
If they're actually hitting a cloud LLM, there's no good reason not to wrap that and memoize the results... it would probably be hard to generalize the inputs (it could just be the whole game state for all we know 🤷♂️) but youd build up that database of all the most common input/outputs in real-time
Exactly, that's just smart programming (maybe that's one of the issues... but I can't say that without evidence). I saw someone years ago develop that concept for a text to speech idea for NPC responses, and for the same reasons. Why repay for something when you can just capture the sound file for each new phrase? The cost is in the creation and addition of things, not in the actual running of every person's game (or app in this case). |
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bitjunkie
lemmy.world
bitjunkie@lemmy.worldJoined: 2024-06-19 |
It's every bit as horrible as you're probably imagining. She has one of those talks-too-fast fake slop voices like on the YouTube spam shorts. |
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Babalugats
feddit.uk
Babalugats@feddit.uk Joined: 2025-04-16 |
How can this ever be sustainable without a huge monthly subscription?
They keep borrowing and giving out 'free' tokens until people are hooked. Then gradually introduce different payment methods until they figure out what works best. Then prices rise (I'm guessing, rather rapidly) to pay off all of the loans and to start making profits. In the meantime, their machines are learning from the users, and learning which areas and how it can be most profitable. Boom. They've created a profitable business that nobody wanted, nobody asked for and nobody needs. DON'T USE AI. YOU'RE CREATING MORE PROBLEMS. MORE BEZOS' AND MORE MUSKS. |
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Widdershins
lemmy.world
Widdershins@lemmy.worldJoined: 2025-04-04 |
Guess you've never heard of Desert Bus.
Desert Bus was part of a compilation of six games and if you played it today it would still work. |
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FridaVermercury
discuss.tchncs.de
FridaVanMercury@discuss.tchncs.deJoined: 2026-09-16 |
From their blog on Steam:
I do not understand. They have to factor in token usage to the game price, but also the longer people play the more they will lose money over time? How is that even an operating model. |
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ColeSloth
discuss.tchncs.de
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2023-08-18 |
So they didn’t even do the math for a basic cost forecast before launching the demo. Also this shit makes them vulnerable for bad actors. Just put this game on several PCs and run it 24/7 to bankrupt them.
What makes you think that the demo just got massively more popular than expected? This is probably an occam's razor type of thing. I'm more curious about how they were planning on structuring the full game to make a profit. Hopefully they're just planning on using a client side ai, but that would likely make the demo somewhat deceitful. |
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iceberg314
slrpnk.net
iceberg314@slrpnk.net Joined: 2026-03-10 |
Why can't they just fine tune a small locally hosted model? Are they dumb? Most gamers have a GPU anyways |
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techt
lemmy.world
techt@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-02 |
I have. Sometimes boring has a weird attraction.
That game is more art than game in the traditional sense as it was trying to make an evocative point, not a good game. |
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Wispy2891
lemmy.world
Wispy2891@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-13 |
From their blog on Steam: For the paid release, we plan to account for expected AI usage in the game’s price. Players will not be charged separately for their individual AI token usage after purchasing the game. This isn’t because each player is particularly expensive to support. The total cost has increased because so many people are playing, and we have taken out a bank loan to help keep the ...
It seems that it's one of those games with zero replayability They probably bank on streamers make fun videos in 4-5 hours of gameplay total, then the people that buy the stuff and never play it Btw it uses Gemini and gpt, it's expensive to run that. What if someone pirates the game and starts wasting tokens? |
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HeHoXa
lemmy.zip
HeHoXa@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-04-08 |
AI powered games don’t work. We did a super cool project for a game jam last year. Cost like 50c per game for us. Cool for the 100 or so players who tried it, but there’s no way to make a profit from it. Local models maybe.
In case it might be interesting info, maybe want to check out WebGPU, WebLLM, Wllama, or Transformers.js. You can write web apps that run an llm on the client's browser. It requires permission and compatibility and isn't... it might be tough to really make accessible to the average user. But it's an option and kinda cool. |
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Valmond
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-11-13 |
What makes you think that the demo just got massively more popular than expected? This is probably an occam's razor type of thing. I'm more curious about how they were planning on structuring the full game to make a profit. Hopefully they're just planning on using a client side ai, but that would likely make the demo somewhat deceitful.
Minimum Specs : 96GB VRAM |
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Valmond
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-11-13 |
Another engineer I work with had a really well put description of proper AI implementation that really applies to this: "AI should help you build the automation, AI should not be the automation."
AI should help, not do. |
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SkunkWorkz
lemmy.world
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-08-26 |
It seems that it's one of those games with zero replayability They probably bank on streamers make fun videos in 4-5 hours of gameplay total, then the people that buy the stuff and never play it Btw it uses Gemini and gpt, it's expensive to run that. What if someone pirates the game and starts wasting tokens?
And a 4chan troll army could bankrupt them for funsies. |
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Bane_Killgrind
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-06-15 |
It seems that it's one of those games with zero replayability They probably bank on streamers make fun videos in 4-5 hours of gameplay total, then the people that buy the stuff and never play it Btw it uses Gemini and gpt, it's expensive to run that. What if someone pirates the game and starts wasting tokens?
Missing one of the only good reasons to include AI in your game... |
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SkunkWorkz
lemmy.world
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-08-26 |
AI should help, not do.
AI: only do, not help |
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Grimy
lemmy.world
Grimy@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-27 |
From their blog on Steam: For the paid release, we plan to account for expected AI usage in the game’s price. Players will not be charged separately for their individual AI token usage after purchasing the game. This isn’t because each player is particularly expensive to support. The total cost has increased because so many people are playing, and we have taken out a bank loan to help keep the ...
If they don't let players hook up their own API key, it's a guarantee they shut it down after a year. |
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SkunkWorkz
lemmy.world
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-08-26 |
The AI disclosure on Steam claims the sister's voice is generated by a local model. If they're being charged for tokens I somehow doubt that.
Probably only the voice is local. Natural voice requires a voice synthesis model. The “reasoning” is probably offloaded to a cloud service. |
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Cricket [he/him]
lemmy.zip
Cricket@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-04 |
How long before the internet is flooded with clips of the little sister saying all kinds of nasty stuff after people prompt inject the AI? |
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trashboat
piefed.social
trashboat@piefed.social Joined: 2026-01-08 |
And they say there’s a bubble, pffffffffffffffffft |
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Creat
discuss.tchncs.de
Creat@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2023-06-16 |
How can this ever be sustainable without a huge monthly subscription?
It can't. But somehow the dev hasn't noticed I guess? |
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ColeSloth
discuss.tchncs.de
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2023-08-18 |
Minimum Specs : 96GB VRAM
You joke, but I run localized AI on my cell phone. The game looks very graphically simple, so really, it shouldn't be too demanding for a smaller AI data set to respond fast enough. |
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chunes
lemmy.world
chunes@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-04-08 |
Hilarious article to put out tbh. If the game wasn't broken before, it's gonna be now. |
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GenosseFlosse
feddit.org
GenosseFlosse@feddit.org Joined: 2024-07-03 |
From their blog on Steam: For the paid release, we plan to account for expected AI usage in the game’s price. Players will not be charged separately for their individual AI token usage after purchasing the game. This isn’t because each player is particularly expensive to support. The total cost has increased because so many people are playing, and we have taken out a bank loan to help keep the ...
People won't play forever. Even good games are only played for maybe 100h before some other new game comes along. If you know the average game time you can calculate the ai costs. |
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Bluefruit
lemmy.world
Bluefruit@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-02 |
Why can't they just fine tune a small locally hosted model? Are they dumb? Most gamers have a GPU anyways
Exactly my thought. Surely you could and achieve at least a similar result. I would say yes, yes they are dumb. Taking out a loan for a game that isn't even out yet according to the article to keep an ai going is pretty stupid. Even if the game does well, the overhead is massive for what could be done with a smaller specialized model. Hell, I bet payig someone to train an existing model would be significantly less than a $1000 a day when you aren't even making money yet. |
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Pratai
piefed.ca
Pratai@piefed.ca Joined: 2026-02-12 |
Good. Go bankrupt asshole. |
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Wakko
hell.cloud
Wakko@hell.cloud Joined: 2026-08-22 |
"Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent." |
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DrPop
lemmy.world
DrPop@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-01-14 |
Why can't they just fine tune a small locally hosted model? Are they dumb? Most gamers have a GPU anyways
Because this is vibe-coded. You think an LLM is going to give up how to make your own? |
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Captain Poofter
lemmy.world
FunnyUsername@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-01 |
Because this is vibe-coded. You think an LLM is going to give up how to make your own?
yes. it's not self aware. |
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chicken
lemmy.dbzer0.com
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2023-06-30 |
Because this is vibe-coded. You think an LLM is going to give up how to make your own?
It will though |
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boonhet
sopuli.xyz
boonhet@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2025-06-16 |
Because this is vibe-coded. You think an LLM is going to give up how to make your own?
I literally let deepseek + opencode modify the nanogpt code for my own custom model and suggest training datasets lol Ran out of patience after a while because crappy GPU, but it was training and words were being worded when I prompted it after the first day of training |
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TrippaSnippa
aussie.zone
TrippaSnippa@aussie.zone Joined: 2023-07-31 |
Exactly, that's just smart programming (maybe that's one of the issues... but I can't say that without evidence). I saw someone years ago develop that concept for a text to speech idea for NPC responses, and for the same reasons. Why repay for something when you can just capture the sound file for each new phrase? The cost is in the creation and addition of things, not in the actual running of ...
That would require you to actually understand what your code is doing... |
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Rhynoplaz
lemmy.world
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-07 |
It can't. But somehow the dev hasn't noticed I guess?
When you're taking out loans you've noticed. |
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a_non_monotonic_function
lemmy.world
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-10-22 |
From their blog on Steam: For the paid release, we plan to account for expected AI usage in the game’s price. Players will not be charged separately for their individual AI token usage after purchasing the game. This isn’t because each player is particularly expensive to support. The total cost has increased because so many people are playing, and we have taken out a bank loan to help keep the ...
My guess is that they are just morons. It is really easy to be confident in your projections if you are a stupid person. |
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Funkt4st1c
lemmy.world
Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-07-30 |
You could literally spend $0 and an afternoon hooking up a 4gb model to the game and having it run locally instead. Or you could also spend $0 and code a decision tree that would be fun for players to experience. Or you could choose the dumbest possible option and bankrupt yourself for no reason |
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terwn43lp
lemmy.world
toxicbubble@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-09 |
me explaining to future generations why all the water dried up |
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GenosseFlosse
feddit.org
GenosseFlosse@feddit.org Joined: 2024-07-03 |
Why can't they just fine tune a small locally hosted model? Are they dumb? Most gamers have a GPU anyways
Not everyone has a GPU with enough RAM. I have a 3060 with 12GB, and I cannot run ollama and a 3D game at the same time. As soon as ollama starts processing, the GPU is at 100% and game and ollama start swapping data in and out of the GPU RAM, which means the whole computer becomes unresponsive for a long time. I had to set up a script that disables ollama if steam is running. |
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VibeSurgeon
piefed.social
VibeSurgeon@piefed.social Joined: 2026-01-15 |
Ask Anthropic! I hear they worked out a solution.
The solution being a huge monthly subscription. Or massive token rates if you're a big customer |
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PHLAK
lemmy.world
PHLAK@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-21 |
If they don't let players hook up their own API key, it's a guarantee they shut it down after a year.
More like a month. |
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