Believe it or not, yes I can, and I will. As for what I’ve seen so far, most all comments are in line with being both respectful and thoughtful. This is the type of discourse this topic deserves. There have been one or two comments that fell out of scope and they were dealt with accordingly. This is how moderation works.

I've been visited by the downvote fairies too.

honestly I think the only thing that will make them stop is if they piss off the wrong user and get doxxed.

In order to be tolerant, you have to be intolerant of the intolerant.

No. She was intoxicated. Therefore consent could never be given in the first place.

I'm sure it has been that way. You prefaced it with banning anyone who'd say otherwise.

I saw only panel 1 (just the title in a box). I thought it was brilliant. Like, the first comment would be "that's not funny." and response would be "you are correct." then i realized there were more panels. either way it works.

Just saying, if it happens in this comm, let me know. Prior to becoming a mod here, I’ve seen it happen in this com, and I’ve seen it happen in other coms I don’t mod. Absolutely report that kind of thing. Just remember that people got personal lives going on just like you, so reports aren’t always seen in a timely manner. Some issues, people like myself like to research and verify before taking action when it’s not 100% clear. But yeah while votes mean nothing here in Lemmy I do prefer to stomp out vote manipulation alt accounts when possible.

That’s why it’s ok to punch nazis.

Sorry. Typically I post the 4 panel versions when artists do the combined uploads, but this one didn’t have that and I usually try to respect the medium and titles the artists give to their work. I thought about giving this one a couple different titles but ultimately settled on leaving the authors comment as is. As the content would be upsetting for many readers I decided to bury the main content in a spoiler warning to avoid a NSFW tag and respect the original post.

No she's just a bad artist with a worse personality

Wait. You genuinely believe there are women somewhere who would consent to a conga line of unknown guys just having their way with them while passed out?

That is absolutely not a thing.

She wasn’t passed out? They were all doing ketamine off each other? She was standing around the room showing off her muscles? Do I believe there are women who consent to group sex? Absolutely.

At least some people here will stand on the facts and still say it was rape for whatever reason but when you have to make things up it kind of shows that you don’t have much faith in what you’re arguing for.

Don't be sorry, this way was so much more impactful.

Imho false allegations should be punished the same as rape (only in cases when it can be proven without a shade of doubt that it was false and intentional). Not only because it ruins the life of the accused, but because it makes all cases of rape harder to prosecute. We should completely eliminate "she's making it up" from the equation.

Thanks for sharing.

Re your first quote:

I wish (these) men would talk about their sexuality a bit more openly. The need for relief. The still widespread tabooing of masturbation, esp. when a woman is present. I believe it would help them understand that what they're doing is wrong - while relief is still possible.

Nothing against the message itself. Just how it's being presented itself. The author put a TW upfront, followed by multitude of well-drawn panels, only to censor the important words at the end? It's like a boxer preparing their stance and their whole weight on their fist to launch a punch only to hold back right before it lands.

If school teachers have to resort to onlyfans for income, why not comic creators.

If school teachers have to resort to onlyfans for income

Well that's sad. Why can't a professional just live from their profession ?

why not comic creators

To be perfectly clear i'm not blaming pizzacake for this situation. I understand that, as a person who can command a significant amount of traffic, and as a woman, this is probably the best monetized use of her time. It's still weird and kind of depressing to me. What if you are a great comics artist but you happen to care about your intimacy and not want to share it ? Guess you're fucked. As a woman you don't get to just do your job and get compensated for it, you also have to show le titties.

The artist feels it's more important that the message is able to be shared widely.

If you had said “no stop I’m not feeling it” and he said “ugh I’m close can I finish?” and you said “okay finish quick” then your consent would have been back being given.

This is coercion. You don't get to push back on someone saying "stop". That's fucked up.

Christians must condamn rapists toward their god, but support and defend them toward society. For them accusing someone of having comit a rape is wrong and bad:

Matthew 18:6–7

6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

Luke 17:1–2

1 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!
2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. 

For christians, the one victim of rape have the duty to shut up, and let society live in peace without knowing about it. And them denying the victime's claim is the consequence of their faith.

Of course, christian faith isn't the only cause, but in western society, we won't get progress against rape without get rid of this poison.

The issue with the Cornell case is that anything she said no to was respected (at least from the documents I have seen)

Why did she keep having to say 'no' over and over again then?

if the artists intent had been lost on some of the audience, i could see this argument. like if they'd used some of the internet acronyms that made it so some readers couldn't tell what they were trying to say, then some meaning would have been lost.

but as this is, there is no question what those words are supposed to be. i had no trouble understanding the message and feeling the weight of it.

i understand your frustration but i feel like you're diminishing or dismissing the impact that's clearly still intact based on a distaste for something the clankers have forced many artists into to prevent being censored.

If you had said “no stop I’m not feeling it” and he said “ugh I’m close can I finish?”

I can't stop re-reading this, jesus fucking christ.

A woman says "No stop" and you don't immediately fucking stop? What the fuck?

What the fuck?

Normally I might agree with you, but I think this is a good example of talking about the problem being viewed more harshly than the problem itself. I don't know if that was part of the "artistic vision" but think it's fairly appropriate to the topic.

Another user to block.

I'm sure cannedtuna isn't crying about it.

Based

Like, they're making it harder for actual victims, and limiting the resources they can access to.

They were different acts you do understand that consent is not an umbrella policy right?

It’s clear you have a fuzzy understanding of consent, I don’t need lessons from someone who wouldn’t stop sex when a partner says they want to stop.

Taking words out of context to feign moral outrage when you don’t have any logical paths left 🥱

Good thing nothing is really hidden on Lemmy and everyone can see your comment that prioritizes a man’s orgasm over his partner wanting sex to stop.

I never said that... What I said is that alcohol amplifies the power of those offenders, and also makes people more prone to abuse others because of they're dishinibited.

It's not that complex to understand.

If we ban alcohol one of the side effects will effectively be a drop, even if small, in rape rates, because there will be one less tool for that.

Love how everyone here is putting words in my mouth.

Its a hypothetical about consent in a discussion on consent. You could gender flip it and it would still be consent.

It would still be fucked up if a woman heard her partner ask to stop sex and she asked if she could keep going in order to cum.

Perfectly valid take. I agree with you. My point was not about the morality of it at all, it was about the consent part.

The request to keep going after someone has asked to stop sex being treated as normal or acceptable is something I cannot abide without pushing back.

Consent under coercion is not consent.

PizzaCake posting this comic is pretty fucking wild when, a year ago, she created two comics of her straight up raping someone who was criticizing her...

Edit: It's a reddit link, but see for yourself. If you don't want to click it (understandable)

Ok so for all those asking for context (sadly can't send the comic, it's paid so that'd be copyright offense) -

The comic somehow got my way. It explicitly shows her, having a sex with a man who has no control of the situation, asking him if he still hates her now (after the sex he has no say in). He says no, mentions it's been several hours since this started, and also asks to ejaculate. She replies that she will let him do so tomorrow, and he is horrified.

The panels themselves don't seem violent, and actually resemble fairly innocent sex involving some bondage. The man is not her husband, nor a character I can recognize. The assumption it's one of the commenters might be about the "hate me" comment.

The implication of the text, however, is clearly "now that I forced myself upon you, you love me?" "yes, now that you've raped me I do. Let me cum and go" "nah fam, you're stuck here for at least another day. you don't get bodily autonomy"

It seems to be purposely designed to be forgivable if you don't think about it. It's short, shows more skin than text, and the text can be dismissed if the reader doesn't think about the fact they've been having sex for hours where they weren't friends and the weak party hated the aggressor for these hours.

Edit: turns out there's a continuation comic, with MC holding Guy's member, he has ejaculated and his groin and her hand are soiled. She asks "oh dear... did I ruin your orgasm?" with a seemingly unconcerned or uninterested face. The caption also reads "poor guy (not really, he deserved it)". So, a bit more of the same warning signs that aren't full-blown offenses but might indicate them. Though "he deserved it" is not exactly helping.

Her explanation of the comic also provides no explanation. She claims that there is context that would justify that comic and prove everyone wrong. She doesn't say what it is. She merely says she deleted the original post because it would have given people more ammo. This is the same artist who has routinely threatened moderators and done DCMA takedown requests over edits of her comics. She acts in bad faith so when a comic like this appears, and she claims that she is totally exonerated by some context she refuses to provide... what exactly am I supposed to think?

You can come to your own conclusion. I did mine. That she is a disgusting hypocrite. It's no comment on the comic itself, just who she is as a person.

Why?!

You got a link to that?

Warning: Reddit link. No one really does. She posted it on her Patreon and has been going after anyone who shared it because you needed to pay to see it. You could probably find it, I haven't. But the whole thread is littered with descriptions of it and PizzaCakes own explanation left a fucking lot to be desired.

Thanks for the link

Of course. I should have posted it at first, that is completely on me. I was distracted. My bad.

No worries :)

Oh no, blocked by a rapist, how awful!

Sure you can say it’s not acceptable, it’s just not rape.

If we extrapolated every purchase you made would be a robbery. Every task you don’t like doing at work would be slavery. Every time you visit your in laws house but didn’t want to would be kidnapping. You’re equating things in a way that minimizes survivors experiences.

It's coercion.

Hope they get totally banned sooner than later because they're a huge cause of these kind of problems.

'Cause' is they key word here. That explicitly states it as the reason.

And stop calling for the removal of freedoms of the innocent, for the crimes of the guilty.