If it comes at parity and businesses start using it, then not only it would be banned but also the dev will be sued to hell for "infringing" their "patents" and "revenue loss" caused because of it.

Even with access to the car hardware would it be impossible to just flash a new firmware onto it, not without some major security flaw in their bootloader or leaked keys to sign the new firmware.
It is all locked down tightly.

None of them work as intended and we already have free options why is this a headline

True, true, it probably won't ever go anywhere near mainstream. But hey if it helps a guy on a budget, keep track of some stuff on a spreadsheet, without usingn word, I'm all for it.

Tho I wouldn't trust ai slop with important data...

"creator" my ass

most people do not even know that they exist to begin with.

No business would ever use these due to the license nightmare these projects would create.

You don't know Indian small-mid businesses lol. They already pirate a lot of stuff. Adobe and Corel are very strict here—if they find out you are using an unlicensed version of their software, they send legal notices to pay a shit ton for the damages and buy the licensed one for a lock-in period before even suing. Most, if not all, give in because there is no way out of this. Yet a lot of them are willing to take this risk as the potential savings are much higher than the losses if caught.

If these businesses get a grey zone free product, they will happily switch. Big corpos will mostly not.

Doesn't that make software essentially worthless?

Closed source will be worthless. Open source has already been out in the open and has been amazing. All software will become what it should have been all along and like Stalman wanted it, free and open source.

People have been earning money on free and open source software for decades. Vibecoding is still a ton of work and not everyone has the time or the capacity to do it. Also, add the sentimental element too. Some people still support others even though the can make the same software.

Buy?

Anything with AI in it gets clicks.

From a technical perspective, yes. I was looking at it from an angle where the company has released their own code via an agent they control. Sort of like calling Microsoft support and asking "hey, can you send me the source code for Office please?"

Tried the PowerPoint clone. Opened our corporate template and hit present.
Presentation mode runs sluggish as hell. OnlyOffice is way smoother by comparison.

Uninstalled it right away.

The whole clean room thing is weird to me. If an llm room is used at all, how can it be a clean room?

Exactly what I'm saying.

and proof that frontier LLMs can reverse engineer / clone well (...duh), this is a big pile of nothing.

I don't think this is proof.

It's proof that they can make something that appears to reverse engineer / clone well.

To really know, we'd need to use it as daily drivers long enough to give it a good test. And it hasn't been out long enough for that.

From previous experience we know that LLMs are great at confidently producing plausible output with problems that are hard to detect and fix without expert level knowledge and experience.

Yeah, ArtCraft is very poorly made. It's a bunch of AI tools jumbled together and is basic at best. It also buys into the entire Tech feudalism bullshit by being a cloud service.

Creator instructor

Yea performance is probably the Achilles' heel of ai slop in general. Interesting

ArtCraft isn't a Photshop clone in any sense of the word and it looks like no onr actually tried it. It's a bunch of cobbled together AI tools. "Photoshop" is nothibg but AI prompted image generation and in-painting with Nano Banana (or other providers). It's not reverse engineered photoshop. I spent parts of saturday getting it to work on local modals using Claude like apparently God intended, since I was pissed off that it was a rented service like everthing else in this fucking shit industry.

ArtCraft is an obviously hastily made piece of software that is intended to take Adobe Creative Cloud customers over to their cloud service.

If you want a Photoshop alternative you have Gimp and Krita. Those are well made pieces of software that isn't vibe coded over a weekend.

Where's the legal limit?

If I use AI to make and sell a Ford truck, will Ford sue and we can get precedent that AI use is still a copyright violation?

Narrator: uninstall didn't fully work, and he's now infected forever

I hope you're right! Not that I think anyone can predict where this will lead at this time.

As many free alternatives as there were before the rampant vibecoding, it seems that this growing collection of tools is not only functional, but a message to the large companies as well. Most of these apps are still far from what they intend to replace, however, so we'll have to see how deep this message cuts.

Blood in the water for Adobe. Acrobat is a steaming pile of garbage. My org worked with their engineering team to track down a bug that we reported. They affirmed the bug (app hangs on launch) and then took four to five months fixing it.

I've worked in software engineering. I know that debugging, patching, testing, verifying is difficult. But the enterprise license costs a lot and that was a very long time with a crippling bug. The only satisfactory answer (to me) is that they don't feel urgency because they are entrenched without real competition. They need to wake up.

(No, I don't think vibe-coded Acrobat replacements will unseat them. I think LLM-powered real devs will come for them because the moat is smaller.)

You wouldn't download a car?

Yeah man but did you see the "Turn it into a podcast" button???? Great stuff!

I have and I will

Just brand it fjord

Hmm, I see what you are going for but is "instructor" the proper term? To cut AI out of the picture, let's say the guy instead of paying for tokens paid a team of developers who did the work for him. What would you call the guy then? He does exactly the same amount and type of work in both cases, but obviously noone would call him "instructor".

From previous experience we know that LLMs are great at confidently producing plausible output with problems that are hard to detect and fix without expert level knowledge and experience.

What experiences exactly? Whether the output is correct or just plausible and how many and how severe the problems are depends on the actual problem, and this statement is way too broad. There are also enough experiences where it works. It depends on how you use it.

I don't see too much of a difference between a LLM producing plausible output as the result of reverse engineering and a human engineer producing plausible output as the result of reverse engineering. Again, we're not talking about absolute experts doing this for the past 20+ years spending months to do this. For a "regular" engineer doing this, it's the same best guess.

might be slop, but it is a solution. i know not stomping on the little indie projects like gimp is the perfect way, i know governments should follow germany and ditch microsoft, but here we are. code probably can be untangeld, and implemented to other projects as well, so the ui might feel familiar, and compatible with every format.

we all know well that most of the time a designer has to send the psd file, and i know many controllers at finance that need their macros which wont work in other excels.

True. I think it's greater value is being an AI middle finger to specific proprietary software. Especially if they incorporate and mainly focus on AI these days. As well as encourage it's use as a magical new tool.

Exactly. If I needed something more powerful than google docs then I'd download LibreOffice.

It's a metaphor.

The only satisfactory answer (to me) is that they don't feel urgency because they are entrenched without real competition.

It's where the lines intersects with how much it would cost to fix it and how significantly the bug impacts their revenue.

AI itself is theft

I know it is aimed at digital artists but I highly recommend Krita as a photo editing alternative. Even with it not being the primary focus it knocks all the socks off Gimp. Unsure of psd support though!

AI isn't revolutionary. It's theft.

Freecad doesn't click with me so I'll be so excited for an autocad-like project

This is the big difference between AI boosters and normal people: most of us have experienced many times when the AI was confidently wrong and don't like it as a result.

I don't think this is going to amount to anything; the rate he's popping these out suggest he's more motivated by making a point and/or prestige than getting something useful at the end, and turning these enormous codebases nobody has any intuition for into something maintainable is going to be grueling work that will make them wish they started from scratch. But if we imagine that this will go somewhere:

Wouldn't that be bad for open source in the long run?

Businesses, certainly not the larger ones, are not going to touch this for various reasons. So while Adobe and Microsoft may take a hit, it's not going to fundamentally harm their business models. Students, on the other hand, can't afford the real thing. If that leads to them to alternatives like LibreOffice, GIMP, or Krita, then when they end up in the workforce, there's going to be at least some pressure to let them use the tools they're used to. In fact, I use LibreOffice at work. But if they can have something that looks and feels exactly like Adobe's and Microsoft's products, they'll feel right at home with the real thing at work.

That's called hiring a team of developers. I believe this would fall under the term producer depending on the situation? If he paid a team of developers and claimed he coded it himself then he'd be called a liar

Only 99% of the time.

It's possible to build models on only copyleft data, and include all relevant attribution

I mean, the problem isn't that they'll look like hypocrites...

The problem is that the bullshit they spout can be used against them in court.

For instance, some of these companies are on trial for using copyrighted works for training. One could claim that the training of a model is fair use. One of the criteria for establishing fair use, is that it doesn't damage the market for the original work.

But their email claim they think LLMs can effectively damage the creators of the content they use, and they publicly repeated over and over how their AIs will make everyone unemployed.

Now they could say that they bullshitted the public, but then MSFT is a public corp, so that might be considered market manipulation? And indeed Microsoft has walked that back earlier than most others.

It's not necessary for LibreOffice to fully replicate every nuance of MS Office to be valuable to people who aren't just those who "would be Linux users anyhow."

Especially for the light users of MS Office, which are the vast majority. They just need something to create Aunt Bobbie's birthday invitation, and they won't care at all whether that thing is MS Office or LibreOffice.

As an anecdote, I'm the IT person at my job. I quietly removed MS Office from a shared PC used by dozens of people. I installed LibreOffice instead, and selected the ribbon UI option. Months later now, and literally nobody has complained or even remarked on it, despite using it every day for their document work. There has not yet been a single instance of anyone contacting me for tech support about it.

Situation sucks because I would use Libreoffice if the UX wasn't some dogshit pooped out by a backend FOSS guy in his sleep

Seems fine to me. I have no issue with it. Seems the same as everything else really. I go from docs, to word, to writer and it makes no difference. Or calc, cells, and excel. Whatever.

Do you often struggle with numbers and letters?

That's easy- software patents.

Is OpenOffice still maintained?

The descendant of it called LibreOffice has been the well-maintained thing to use for the last 15 years.