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supersquirrel
lemmy.ca
supersquirrel@lemmy.ca Joined: 2026-08-07 |
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sh.itjust.works
_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-12 |
I love my e-readers, but I still buy and read paperbacks too. I was just gifted one a few months ago. |
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supersquirrel
lemmy.ca
supersquirrel@lemmy.ca Joined: 2026-08-07 |
I love my e-readers, but I still buy and read paperbacks too. I was just gifted one a few months ago.
I will even be a little spicy here and say most books I encounter in the wild secondhand are not worth printing in the age of ereaders and digital readers/audio ways to listen to books... which isn't to say we don't also need bad books and bad art and that tacky, accidentally funny relics of the past aren't in their own way necessary... but I definitely don't feel this universal comradarie with all printed books, some of them suck, some of them whisper violent ideologies into people's hearts, some of them and this is by far the most common crime just simply wouldn't be worth the resources invested to reprint when there are so many other ways to share words nowadays.... which isn't to say that what the books say isn't worth being said or recorded, not at all but after you see your ten millionth Tom Clancy book you begin to lose your mind and start fantasizing about building a mansion using them as affordable bricks. I LOVE a physical beat up paperback book, I love a beautiful copy of a cherished book, and I think even "mediocre" things are worthy of physical embodiment but I think we can love both physical and digital forms of reading at the same time and use both mediums to minimize the negatives of the other and to close out my TedX talk in summary: at the end of the day all I know for sure is that killing paperbacks is a stupid idea. |
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NigelFrobisher
aussie.zone
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone Joined: 2023-08-07 |
Paperbacks are bonkers expensive now. They tried to turn them into a luxury item and then act surprised when people are sharing and borrowing them more and sales just keep declining. |
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seat6
lemmy.zip
seat6@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-03-31 |
To be honest I’m surprised people still buy books. I read quite a bit but borrow everything from the library. |
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FrChazzz
lemmus.org
FrChazzz@lemmus.org Joined: 2025-06-04 |
I can’t do e-reading. I need an actual book. I also hate hardback books. I want to curl that thing, I want the cover all beat-up and dog-eared. |
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yeahiknow3
lemmy.world
yeahiknow3@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-02-12 |
I can’t do e-reading. I need an actual book. I also hate hardback books. I want to curl that thing, I want the cover all beat-up and dog-eared.
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Malica
lemmy.zip
Malica@lemmy.zipJoined: 2026-08-27 |
I just buy hard covers for the physical copy and read on e-reader or audiobook. Like I bought the leather bound versions of my favorite Brandon Sanderson books, but they'll stay for display only :) |
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Malica
lemmy.zip
Malica@lemmy.zipJoined: 2026-08-27 |
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There's the library |
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Hanrahan
slrpnk.net
hanrahan@slrpnk.netJoined: 2023-03-14 |
I'm old (+60) i ditched 90% of my physical books long ago. I do read physical books occasionally from the library but i much prefer the ebooks. Same reason i prefer music as a file then on a record, tape or CD. i see zero need for fiction books to be dead trees. A system of a display of physical books and then scan a qr code in the book to down load it might be nice. Paid streaming is the devil, though I do occasionally listen to music streamed via internet radio. |
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NigelFrobisher
aussie.zone
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone Joined: 2023-08-07 |
I'm old (+60) i ditched 90% of my physical books long ago. I do read physical books occasionally from the library but i much prefer the ebooks. Same reason i prefer music as a file then on a record, tape or CD. i see zero need for fiction books to be dead trees. A system of a display of physical books and then scan a qr code in the book to down load it might be nice. Paid streaming is the devil...
We’ll all want something that still works when the lights go out though, whenever that is. |
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activistPnk
slrpnk.net
activistPnk@slrpnk.net Joined: 2023-07-30 |
I'm old (+60) i ditched 90% of my physical books long ago. I do read physical books occasionally from the library but i much prefer the ebooks. Same reason i prefer music as a file then on a record, tape or CD. i see zero need for fiction books to be dead trees. A system of a display of physical books and then scan a qr code in the book to down load it might be nice. Paid streaming is the devil...
All paper books are DRM-free. Isn’t it a hassle to try to work out whether an e-book is DRM-free before buying? Or is the presence of DRM transparently prominent? And when there is DRM, how easy is it to find a DRM-free version? Did you ever discover a book has DRM after buying? I wonder how many people get stung like that. |
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red_green_black
slrpnk.net
green_red_black@slrpnk.netJoined: 2025-06-19 |
All paper books are DRM-free. Isn’t it a hassle to try to work out whether an e-book is DRM-free before buying? Or is the presence of DRM transparently prominent? And when there is DRM, how easy is it to find a DRM-free version? Did you ever discover a book has DRM after buying? I wonder how many people get stung like that.
TBH I am able to get around the DRM via Pirate Ships. I also found an app that rips DRM from Amazon purchased Audio Books. this is not an argument of superiority as at the end of the day physical media is the simplistic (you buy and you own it) just saying work a rounds of the whole "you don't own this." scheme exists |
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prole
lemmy.blahaj.zone
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2024-06-11 |
Paperbacks are bonkers expensive now. They tried to turn them into a luxury item and then act surprised when people are sharing and borrowing them more and sales just keep declining.
This hasn't been my experience at all... There, of course, is a distinction between trade paperbacks and mass-market paperbacks. The latter are still pretty cheap (like under $10), and I feel like the former are about the same as they were 10+ years ago (usually between like $12-$20). |
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Tiresia
slrpnk.net
Tiresia@slrpnk.net Joined: 2024-07-16 |
All paper books are DRM-free. Isn’t it a hassle to try to work out whether an e-book is DRM-free before buying? Or is the presence of DRM transparently prominent? And when there is DRM, how easy is it to find a DRM-free version? Did you ever discover a book has DRM after buying? I wonder how many people get stung like that.
Paper books have a subscription fee in terms of the physical space they take up. Social housing in my city is €800/month for 40m^2, so €20/month/m^2 , or €0.002/month/cm^2. A physical book might take up a floor space of 4x25 cm^2 , divided by 5 if your bookcase has 5 shelves, for around 20 cm^2. Meaning you're paying €0.04 per month on every book in your library. If you've got 200 books, that's €8/month, or almost €100 per year. The only way to cancel this subscription fee is to lose access to the books, which is a worse penalty than for most DRM. |
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dream_weasel
sh.itjust.works
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-30 |
All paper books are DRM-free. Isn’t it a hassle to try to work out whether an e-book is DRM-free before buying? Or is the presence of DRM transparently prominent? And when there is DRM, how easy is it to find a DRM-free version? Did you ever discover a book has DRM after buying? I wonder how many people get stung like that.
Unless you do a lot of rereading or sharing I haven't found the DRM to be a problem honestly. For 8 or 10 bucks I can usually read whatever I want right now. The titles I really like I buy again to put on the bookshelf. I CAN go sail the seas and get stuff in PDF form, but a book to me isnt the same as a game or a movie title I want to use again down the road, it's like several days or a week of one time entertainment followed by a bookshelf spot if I want to show it off. |
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partial_accumen
lemmy.world
partial_accumen@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-15 |
We’ll all want something that still works when the lights go out though, whenever that is.
I don't think the paperbacks will survive the first cold winter or the first Toilet paper outage. |
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partial_accumen
lemmy.world
partial_accumen@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-15 |
I'm old (+60) i ditched 90% of my physical books long ago. I do read physical books occasionally from the library but i much prefer the ebooks. Same reason i prefer music as a file then on a record, tape or CD. i see zero need for fiction books to be dead trees. A system of a display of physical books and then scan a qr code in the book to down load it might be nice. Paid streaming is the devil...
This is where I am too. I am reading more than ever now, and its because of cheap and available ebooks. The whole reason mass market paperbacks existed is because they were cheap and available. Ebooks are now cheaper and more available. If you don't like the DRM, there are stores that sell DRM free. There are also stores that sell weak DRM. Public libraries are regular distributors of ebooks too. The whole purpose of mass market paperpacks was to put the written word into other people's hands as cheaply as possible. I argue that ebooks are the cheapest way possible, so it is inevitable that mass market paperbacks disappear since they've been replaced by a better/cheaper solution. |
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activistPnk
slrpnk.net
activistPnk@slrpnk.net Joined: 2023-07-30 |
Paper books have a subscription fee in terms of the physical space they take up. Social housing in my city is €800/month for 40m^2, so €20/month/m^2 , or €0.002/month/cm^2. A physical book might take up a floor space of 4x25 cm^2 , divided by 5 if your bookcase has 5 shelves, for around 20 cm^2. Meaning you're paying €0.04 per month on every book in your library. If you've got 200 books, that's...
Or move outside of Manhattan. |
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activistPnk
slrpnk.net
activistPnk@slrpnk.net Joined: 2023-07-30 |
Unless you do a lot of rereading or sharing I haven't found the DRM to be a problem honestly. For 8 or 10 bucks I can usually read whatever I want right now. The titles I really like I buy again to put on the bookshelf. I CAN go sail the seas and get stuff in PDF form, but a book to me isnt the same as a game or a movie title I want to use again down the road, it's like several days or a week o...
DRM comes in many forms. I once heard of a granny looking at DRM book permissions, one of which was “read out loud”. She was annoyed: “you mean I cannot read some books out loud to my grandkids?” Of course what it really was was a control on the use of text-to-speech. I have also heard:
Some books I would read cover to cover and be done with. But I often inadvertently tune out because of my own mental distractions, and realize I have zombie-read 2 or 3 pages without absorbing it, and have to go back. DRM would probably screw me over for that. I usually need to return to previously read pages many times with cookbooks and motorcycle service guides. I don’t think I even want to be aware of all the various different DRM-imposed restrictions. Apart from restrictions which may potentially be tolerable (not tried it), what about the privacy? DRM is likely coupled with a bit of snooping, no? |
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dream_weasel
sh.itjust.works
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-30 |
DRM comes in many forms. I once heard of a granny looking at DRM book permissions, one of which was “read out loud”. She was annoyed: “you mean I cannot read some books out loud to my grandkids?” Of course what it really was was a control on the use of text-to-speech. I have also heard: some books you can only read once some books block you from flipping back and forth.. cannot re-read a previo...
I've never seen or heard of any of these forms of DRM. None of them sound like good business. As far as snooping goes I don't prefer it, but the only content on my ereader is my library so not much to see. |
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TubularTittyFrog
lemmy.world
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-02-23 |
Paper books have a subscription fee in terms of the physical space they take up. Social housing in my city is €800/month for 40m^2, so €20/month/m^2 , or €0.002/month/cm^2. A physical book might take up a floor space of 4x25 cm^2 , divided by 5 if your bookcase has 5 shelves, for around 20 cm^2. Meaning you're paying €0.04 per month on every book in your library. If you've got 200 books, that's...
No, you're not. You're paying for that space regardless of what takes it up or not. You just are rationalizing your irrational dislike of paper books. A paper book has no 'ongoing cost' in any way in your life. |
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TubularTittyFrog
lemmy.world
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-02-23 |
This hasn't been my experience at all... There, of course, is a distinction between trade paperbacks and mass-market paperbacks. The latter are still pretty cheap (like under $10), and I feel like the former are about the same as they were 10+ years ago (usually between like $12-$20).
Yeah, plus they... often go on sale for like half of cover prices a few months after release. I buy books all the time, and I never pay MSRP. Easy to find paper or hardbacks that are like 10-15 bucks, on quality paper. What gets me is the mass market books are often more than the tradebacks these days, at least the market prices. But I'm not the target audience for those. |
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TubularTittyFrog
lemmy.world
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-02-23 |
To be honest I’m surprised people still buy books. I read quite a bit but borrow everything from the library.
Why? Owning books is awesome. I have 6 book shelves, ceiling to floor. Seems to upset/offend many people though, I will admit. Especially the e-reader crowd who start telling me I need to get rid of them because... their preference isn't my preference and they can't seem to stand that. |
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TubularTittyFrog
lemmy.world
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-02-23 |
I will even be a little spicy here and say most books I encounter in the wild secondhand are not worth printing in the age of ereaders and digital readers/audio ways to listen to books... which isn't to say we don't also need bad books and bad art and that tacky, accidentally funny relics of the past aren't in their own way necessary... but I definitely don't feel this universal comradarie with...
Have you considered chilling out about what other people read and in which format they read it? |
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supersquirrel
lemmy.ca
supersquirrel@lemmy.ca Joined: 2026-08-07 |
Have you considered chilling out about what other people read and in which format they read it?
...Did you not read what I said? |
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seat6
lemmy.zip
seat6@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-03-31 |
Why? Owning books is awesome. I have 6 book shelves, ceiling to floor. Seems to upset/offend many people though, I will admit. Especially the e-reader crowd who start telling me I need to get rid of them because... their preference isn't my preference and they can't seem to stand that.
If you like it, I think that’s great. I just mean, that when you can get books for free I’m surprised 95% of people don’t do that. Plus, then you don’t have to store them when you’re done |
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glimse
lemmy.world
glimse@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-07 |
Unless you do a lot of rereading or sharing I haven't found the DRM to be a problem honestly. For 8 or 10 bucks I can usually read whatever I want right now. The titles I really like I buy again to put on the bookshelf. I CAN go sail the seas and get stuff in PDF form, but a book to me isnt the same as a game or a movie title I want to use again down the road, it's like several days or a week o...
What killed print for me was moving. I didn't have a ton to begin with but books are HEAVY. I kept a dozen or so with sentimental value and the rest went to the library |
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Tiresia
slrpnk.net
Tiresia@slrpnk.net Joined: 2024-07-16 |
No, you're not. You're paying for that space regardless of what takes it up or not. You just are rationalizing your irrational dislike of paper books. A paper book has no 'ongoing cost' in any way in your life.
I don't have a dislike for paper books. You do have somewhat of a point that the value of floorspace isn't linear; that the marginal volume lost to a book will probably be less valuable than the mean volume. But to say that the value of that volume is zero is absurd. Like saying my arm doesn't weigh anything because it's attached to my body so I'm carrying it around anyway. |
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