Turns out being dependant on billionaires for national security is a bad idea. Whodathunk?

don't feed the billionaires by supporting the ransacking of ukraine by western powers.

It all returns to diesel. Kiev is attacking Russian gas while Iran is restricting flow through the strait of Hormuz, leading supply to get lower and lower. The US wants to relax restrictions on Russian gas in order to alleviate the supply problem, and Kiev is insistent that their attacks on Russian gas have nothing to do with rising diesel prices and lowering supply and are blaming it solely on Iran and the strait of Hormuz closure, because they want to hurt Russia economically while maintaining legitimacy in the eyes of their allies that depend on diesel.

The vassal won't get in line, so the empire pulled material support as a disciplinary measure. Europe does not have something that can serve as a meaningful alternative to this, leaving Ukraine, as always, at the mercy of the US if they wish to continue fighting, rather than reaching a negotiated settlement as more and more countries are desiring (including Ukraine's working populace).

All of this from the US empire's hubris, thinking it could support both a war on Russia and Iran without consequence. No need for conspiracy theories about Trump and Musk being Russian agents, the truth is that they only care about keeping the empire going, which requires stableized fuel for the global economy. The US can either surrender to Iran, or wind down sanctions on Russia. Otherwise, the entire world economy stands to go to chaos.

And with exaggerated and misrepresented non-events as usual.

Trump is fine with them attacking the US enemies.
They are the only party who win from this.
Hurting Russia financially does nothing for the ukros on the battlefield and will not change their fate.
The vassal is doing exactly what he's told.

... the truth is that they only care about keeping the empire going, which requires stableized fuel for the global economy. The US can either surrender to Iran, or wind down sanctions on Russia. Otherwise, the entire world economy stands to go to chaos.

they've hedged their bets with d-day bunkers so they can push it beyond the limit -- past climate change -- and still be buffered from the consequences if they fail.

Trump is fine with Ukraine attacking Russia, that is why they provoked the war in the first place. The problem is the consequences of the war on Iran, which is now becoming unmanageable for the US and is risking global economic crisis. Russia has the means to alleviate some of this, and the US has interest in maintaining the war while lowering sanctions. Ukraine is caught in the middle, as is the fate of all vassals when the wind blows the other direction.

It won't actually help them, living in a bunker is a miserable experience and they still require people to run the bunkers for them. Capitalists seek accumulation, bunkers are a fallback for them.

They were glazing starlink devices in iran when mossad we’re dropping them to “free” iran.

You don't remember the coup?

Also bunkers need vents and vents don't work well when a bag of concrete is poured down into them.

agreed and they likely see it as a miserable failback as well, but what matters to them is that they have a failback so that they feel like they can be bolder than the rest of us who have any tailbacks.

Still doesn't get around that their pursuit is accumulation, so they don't want to stop that process.

why is that relevant?

their pursuit is accumulation

i've always understood this to be a trend instead of a rule of the ruling class and i suspect some cabals of the ruling class care more about pushing for absolute dominance more than anything else.

Are you serious?

That is all true.
My view was Zelenski still does what he's told even if Ukraine is caught in the middle.
He doesn't care about his country, and in the same way Trump doesn't care about his country.
Both will get richer screwing over their own population.

I suppose in your brain it's obvious why the 2014 coup is important for this.
Dying to hear this

Classes are aggregates, not totalities. There can be people in a class that act irrationally, but the class as a whole moves in its own percieved interest.

That's true to an extent, but they do end up fighting each other in instances like this, where the US wants Russian gas to proliferate and Ukraine wants Russia to suffer economically to hamper the war effort.

where the US wants Russian gas to proliferate

That is typical Trump wanting it both ways, having sanctions and at the same time make an exception for himself if it's opportune.

Ukraine wants Russia to suffer economically to hamper the war effort.

As I said, I believe this is solely donefor the US.
I'm convinced zelenski doesn't believe for one moment that this will hamper the war effort.
It hasn't one bit and it won't.
More of the same hurting Russia by an expendable proxy.

If you’re strong enough you can disable one of these satellites by throwing a rock, but sadly everybody these days seems to be too puny or weak

I don't see why the US would shut off Starlink if they didn't want to discipline Ukraine for pressing the attack. Of course Trump wants it both ways, he wants Russian gas and he wants Russia weakened so it can be economically dominated and balkanized, something the west has salivated over since the 90s. However, these two goals stand in conflict with each other, Russia needs to be able to export gas if the world is to purchase it! And Ukraine doesn't want that, so they press the attack against their masters, and now are facing the consequences for disobedience. The vassal / master relationship isn't perfectly subservient, it has tension and counterplay and sometimes the vassal gets disciplined for it.

the ransacking of ukraine by western powers.

exaggerated and misrepresented non-events

the coup

why is that relevant?

I don't mean this as an insult, if this gets reported as one, but genuinely, is there something wrong with your brain? Learning impairment? Head injury?

They didn't 'shut off Starlink'
You can look for the elaborate technical explanation but AFAIK they only affected certain movements over a certain speed and they only did it for 1 night.
At best this is a mild threat.
This non-event, which was over before the western mouthpieces even could report on it, IMO is not having 'consequences for disobedience'.
The US could do a lot, fact is they haven't stopped helping them not even for a day despite the theatrics and threats.
They have no reason to.
Musk also made threats before about stopping his service but nothing happened.
The ukros wouldn't even be able to hit all these facilities without the US supplying them with everything. Not just guiding and targeting but the long range missiles themselves.
Which used to be a red line but not anymore since NATO relentlessly insists on escalating further.
So here we disagree, you say it's Ukraine who doesn’t want Russia to sell gas while I say it does absolutely nothing concrete for them.
Only for their masters in the long term.
There will not be less bombs or Russian troops because they blow up some infrastructure.
They could've hit military targets.
Zelenski may cry about this deal but not because it hurts the war effort.
What's hurt is his ego. His master humiliates him by dealing with the enemy and he has to suck it up like a good little vassal.
Exposing him as a proxy to the world.

As I said, the US will never stop helping their proxies despite what the media tries to imply.
But again, I don't see why you would bring up the 2014 specifically.

I'm aware that Ukraine is dependent on the US, and that the US is still supplying them. Humiliating Zelensky is still a form of vassal discipline, which is my point. The US wants Ukraine to attack Russian infrastructure, military targets, etc, but not gas.

We're almost there :)
The US wants Ukraine to attack Russian infrastructure, military targets, etc, but not gas (at this particular moment).

Yes. That's my point.

I bet you're confused by global events all the time!

You bet wrong.
And for the 3rd time try diversion and failed to provide an answer.

Jesus christ man, do you want me to chew your food for you too?

the coup

Is obviously

the ransacking of ukraine by western powers.

Which you say are

exaggerated and misrepresented non-events

Which you say are

exaggerated and misrepresented non-events

finally we see where you totally got it wrong.

I will be meticulous and sloooowly go over it.

I did not say "the coup" or "the ransacking of ukraine by western powers." were "exaggerated and misrepresented non-events"

I said this post, which supports these things, is using "exaggerated and misrepresented non-events".
As there wasn't any substantial disruption (a few hours of limitation on some aspects) of Starlink assistance to the ukro proxies.

Let it sink in, while I go to sleep.
I'm sure you'll figure it out eventually

Jesus christ you're dumb.

And when you say we, who are you talking about? We all think you're insufferable, lmao.

I expected better from lemmy by now.
Why am I the first and only comment to defend feeding billionaires into wood chippers?

so you have trouble with comprehensive reading and you can't admit you're wrong because of your fragile ego.
you are indeed insufferable if not pathetic

I can totally imagine some pathetic lumpen being paid a pitiful amount to stay outside in the nuclear fallout guarding the air openings so no one does that

No, I have trouble with fucking morons pretending to be intelligent and then acting smug about their moronic opinions, lol.

Hope you slept well. Were you surprised to find nobody agreed with you here, or did you know in your heart of hearts we all think you're a fucking moron?

Any response to who you were referring to we as?

Nah, they get a piece of the pie once we clear the bunker.

I think we all want that, right now this is bourgeois infighting over the desire to Balkanize Russia and the desire to depress the price of diesel.

I fantasize that they are all at relatively the same distance from earth and one takes a rock and starts a 4th of July sky show.

I've resolved never to use a star link or buy a Tesla product years ago, and to shit-talk them to whoever asks me about them. It's not much, but it's honest work.

Me too… completely.

And I’m not looking for trouble. Eff that guy… but
If the video of the Tesla going vertical and the. Descending through the air is legit… first I’m glad it would cost 2 mill likely but still… it’s not not cool af