Source?

It certainly has the Direct Rendering Manager, which has no relation to any content control mechanism.

There is truth to every bit of propaganda

This is not true.

It does not matter how much slop was before, we always try to minimize it.

There is no policy that will stop that. It's happening whether you want it to or not.

What every project needs is a way to handle submissions that ensures a level of quality. The kernel has this. Also needing to police whether code was llm generated would be an increased burden.

Everyone who uses modern computer technology has skin in the game. Whether we're actively contributing code to the kernel doesn't change our ability to hold opinions on its development.

In the same way many don't have skin in the game in the middle east and yet it is still perfectly legitimate to hold opinions on the atrocities being committed there.

"Skin in the game" is a thought terminating cliche used to unjustifiably shield oneself from criticism.

Why do I see all comments to this thread with vote = 0?

Same energy as if you don't have an ovary, don't talk about women's rights. Oh I don't have a mom, aunt, cousins, sisters, and maybe children of my own who are female?

People hate AI because they were told they would not be able to get a job anymore, and many people got fired over it.

The world is where it is because we decided to let everbody have the same voice.

Opinions are like assholes. The majority of them smell like shit. That includes yours and mine to be honest.

Is it your body? Lol

Let me clarify, there is a bit of truth in every piece of propaganda. That is what makes it effective.

I would assume most people would agree that a short disruption in the chocolate supply chain is probably worth a couple thousand lives yea

Its not like abuse is intrinsic to AI nor chocolate, but not fighting back against shiity rich people is what got us here, so I'd be surprised if it got us out.

As much as I believe literally everyone, including myself, is a Russian bot being paid for by the republican party.

I dropped Linux for OpenBSD specifically for the kernel AI policy.

I was speaking to several communities such as decomp.dev disbanding due to AI.

https://www.nacionale.com/en/articles/video-game-reverse-engineering-community-shuts-down-due-to-ai

The world is where it is because society prioritizes some voices over others, and just flat out ignores others still.

what personal gain is there to be had?

The satisfaction of being "on the good side" and "sticking it to the man" with righteous outrage, as usual with these things. I fucking hate AI, but trying to tear down Linus (and the rest of the Kernel team) over them trying to see if it makes sense to use is silly. They aren't planning to drop their rigorous QA or to accept code the submitter can't explain/maintain. Ethics are a concern, but since the end result will be FOSS I personally don't care as much either (YMMV).

I'm also really interested in hearing how this will go for them and what policies they will ultimately implement. I expect them to do this properly, which then means that everyone can point to their implementation when confronted with vibe coding at work. And then the suits will decide that they'd rather just do it cheap & fast, fucking everything up yet again, but at least they will have been told so.

For most of us, we live in a tool-using culture whose digital infrastructure has become completely reliant on server-side linux, so its reliability (or lack thereof) can have real effects on our everyday lives. Can’t speak for everyone though

I see what you mean.

He is bootlicking hard recently. I used to look up to the guy as the guy I want to be. Nowadays I despise him.

The world is where it is because we decided to let everbody have the same voice.

We clearly live in different realities.

No. You don't understand. I work in finance. I'm sure our legal teams think Big AI lobbying and lawyers look, "oh so cute."

If and when AI gets regulated and the industry bitches and complains about the cost of compliance, we'll be posting that, "First time?" Meme 🤣

Ah so you are fully familiar with degenerate executive behavior. 🤜🏻🤛🏻

I appreciate this level headed response. I tend to agree with you all around, and I think that no other humans on earth are more equipped to manage the use of AI than the team of mostly altruistic people who brought us OS choice. I find it hard to believe they will completely botch it or learn no lessons. I too dislike AI but I also recognize it may have some uses. Thinking it's all bad, imo, is binary thinking. I think AI may end up being a net negative for humanity honestly, but 1) we don't know that yet 2) the Assholes capable of regulating it dgaf. Regulation is really the only tool we have. Blind rage is not a tool in any scenario, including this one.

Is it normal for you to join discussions, and start talking about something different?

You're certainly free to start a discussion about environmental usage, in which case I'll agree

But it has nothing to do with the code being produced

Oh another person that is proud to be a moron. Welcome to my block list.

Still not true. People often just lie or make things up.

All of what you said is true and applies to any open source project. They're all being flooded with slop PRs. But I would argue that the Linux kernel handles this in one of the best ways that they currently can. Wouldn't you be inclined to agree?

Why is it an entirely different conversation? Or rather, why do you think that this conversation is not what the AI-opposition are concerned about? (At least some of us are)

Here are some quotes from the article we all know we're talking about:

Torvalds expects contributors to use well-funded chatbot coding

Kernel maintainers are complaining they’re drowning in slop. Torvalds’ answer is: less people, more chatbots!

Torvalds said he is not trying to push non-chatbot users out of the project. But there’s already so much slop code and so many slop procedures that his actions don’t match these words.

These are just from the first few opening paragraphs. I could keep going.

Now here are some of the top Lemmy comments:

The most disappointing aspect of using AI on linux, to me, is that it sort of implies linux is now more comfortable with the “move fast and break things” -mindset, now caring more about “efficiency” and “speed” rather than integrity and quality.

Its really sad, Linus used to be a champion of open source and now hes doing his best to ruin it.

Linus is a traitor to Open Source community. Using and promoting a tool created by stealing the works of thousands of developers, artists etc. He might be a good programmer but he is a fucking douchebag.

So yes, the AI opposition absolutely is concerned with the maintainers welcoming slop into the codebase. This is why we needed someone like @auzy1@lemmy.world to step in and make a post clarifying the situation.

AI will likely decrease the contributors as already seen with AI blowing up some traditional communities.

That's an interesting problem that I haven't heard anyone bring up before. I wonder how much of an impact this actually has.

I agree. My point was, even if Linux Kernel developers are flooded with slop PR, that does not turn the project into slop, because the developers handle it well. And even Linus himself said the situation improved drastically and they don't get so much slop PRs anymore. It was a huge burden in the beginning, but now its much better. I think it was an interview, but can't point to a source right now.

True, but the seal's broken now

the pendorabox is open. its going be slop with times.

But that's like saying "I made a machine that kills puppies and plants trees, and every time I plant a tree people complain about dead puppies! I wish they could separate the impact of the dead puppies from the impact of planting trees."

No. It's like invading a thread talking about giving snacks to dogs. And telling everyone that there is a machine that kills puppies and turns them into sausages

Completely different.

Again, you're free to start a thread on the environment. But it's a complete deviation from this conversation

Linus has never been a champion of ethics. He's a pragmatist. Not sure why anyone expects him to be Thomas Sankara or something.

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I'm so bored of radlibs screaming about the AI burning the trees. Like why are you yelling at me. The freaks who made this shit are building the death star. We're going to need to use this stuff too if we're ever going to actually win.

That's because it could be done in a way that doesn't cause those harms to people or the environment. The software itself doesn't dictate that.

It's NOT being done in that manner, but that's a capitalism problem, not inherent to the software. This is just a computer program we're talking about here.