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GTA: Vice City's writing was "awful," Rockstar co-founder Dan Houser says, but acting icon Ray Liotta "made it sound good"
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Agent Karyo lemmy.world Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world
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nutbutter discuss.tchncs.de nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de
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Naah, it wasn't that bad.

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ampersandrew lemmy.world ampersandrew@lemmy.world
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Naah, it wasn't that bad.

Eh, it mostly just riffed on popular crime movies and TV, especially Scarface. San Andreas was funny, but it wasn't until GTA4 that I'd say the writing was actually good.

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Agent Karyo lemmy.world Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world
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Naah, it wasn't that bad.

Even if avoid discussion about subjective versus objective, there is also context.

Ray Liotta, Michelle Pfeiffer and Al Pacino did a great job.

The soundtrack/score (remember the intro scene) was also very good and has only gotten better with age.

The film is also very stylish.

That covered for the writing, which is its own thing.

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InternetCitizen2 lemmy.world InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world
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I loaded it up as an adult. The controls are so bad. How did I ever get anywhere?

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Agent Karyo lemmy.world Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world
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Eh, it mostly just riffed on popular crime movies and TV, especially Scarface. San Andreas was funny, but it wasn't until GTA4 that I'd say the writing was actually good.

GTA2 has under-rated world-building (there is not much writing), it was humourous in many ways, but also subtly dark and dystopian in a way that I don't think we'll ever see in GTA again.

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Widdershins lemmy.world Widdershins@lemmy.world
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Eh, it mostly just riffed on popular crime movies and TV, especially Scarface. San Andreas was funny, but it wasn't until GTA4 that I'd say the writing was actually good.

Hey Niko, it's Roman. Let's go bowling!

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Alex lemmy.ml stsquad@lemmy.ml
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Even if avoid discussion about subjective versus objective, there is also context. Ray Liotta, Michelle Pfeiffer and Al Pacino did a great job. The soundtrack/score (remember the intro scene) was also very good and has only gotten better with age. The film is also very stylish. That covered for the writing, which is its own thing.

The main thing I remember from Vice City was the excellent sound track.

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Chris Lowles lemmy.zip chrislowles@lemmy.zip
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I loaded it up as an adult. The controls are so bad. How did I ever get anywhere?

I tried playing it on my PS2 the other day, my Dualshock 2 is very beaten down so maybe that's why, but I do remember the controls being kinda shit across the whole Renderware era for GTA.

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lastlybutfirstly lemmy.world lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world
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I think it's the best of the series. It's not so damn big that it discourages exploration and the city and UI are so pleasant to look at it. Everything after got too gritty and real. Driving out to Paleto Bay is more like American Truck Simulator than GTA.

I was playing the Itchio HTML5 port of GTA:VC up until yesterday. It's fantastic. But unfortunately it bugs out and crashes on the mainland.

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lastlybutfirstly lemmy.world lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world
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Even if avoid discussion about subjective versus objective, there is also context. Ray Liotta, Michelle Pfeiffer and Al Pacino did a great job. The soundtrack/score (remember the intro scene) was also very good and has only gotten better with age. The film is also very stylish. That covered for the writing, which is its own thing.

It had an all star cast who could make any dialogue sound Oscar worthy. The writing in all GTA games have been awful. GTA V is the worst.

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SuperSaiyanSwag lemmy.zip SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zip
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IMO it is the worst out of the last few games (SA, Chinatown Wars, IV, V), but I also think that its product of its time. It’s bad in hindsight, but was it actually considered bad back then?

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stiephelando discuss.tchncs.de stiephelando@discuss.tchncs.de
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I loaded it up as an adult. The controls are so bad. How did I ever get anywhere?

I prefer VC's Walking over any new GTA Game. It's snappy and reactive instead of "realistic".

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yermaw sh.itjust.works yermaw@sh.itjust.works
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I thought the writing was terrible on purpose? Like it deliberately wasnt taking itself seriously. Like when you go on karaoke and sing Witch Doctor

Who didnt visibly cringe at "lance vance dance"?

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DillDough lemmy.zip DillDough@lemmy.zip
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Lol no gta game had good writing, 4 was the closest but even that was pretty shit. It was about the humor and satire, which is why the radio shows were better than the missions generally.

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Magnum, P.I. infosec.pub Magnum@infosec.pub
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IMO it is the worst out of the last few games (SA, Chinatown Wars, IV, V), but I also think that its product of its time. It’s bad in hindsight, but was it actually considered bad back then?

No it was great when it came out.

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cheat700000007 lemmy.world cheat700000007@lemmy.world
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Lol no gta game had good writing, 4 was the closest but even that was pretty shit. It was about the humor and satire, which is why the radio shows were better than the missions generally.

That's why red dead 2 was such a shock to me, having some of if not the best writing in games

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Strider lemmy.world Strider@lemmy.world
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I loaded it up as an adult. The controls are so bad. How did I ever get anywhere?

Yeah from the playability side saints row (volition) was always far more intuitive.

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Dozzi92 lemmy.world Dozzi92@lemmy.world
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Lol no gta game had good writing, 4 was the closest but even that was pretty shit. It was about the humor and satire, which is why the radio shows were better than the missions generally.

Call Cinco Cinco Cinco, nueve dos, nueve dos. I'll always remember that number from San andreas. Cruising around just listening to the radio really put you in the game.

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TimeNaan lemmy.world TimeNaan@lemmy.world
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I thought the writing was terrible on purpose? Like it deliberately wasnt taking itself seriously. Like when you go on karaoke and sing Witch Doctor Who didnt visibly cringe at "lance vance dance"?

That's a Lance Vance chance!

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fishy lemmy.today fishy@lemmy.today
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Call Cinco Cinco Cinco, nueve dos, nueve dos. I'll always remember that number from San andreas. Cruising around just listening to the radio really put you in the game.

I read this in the voice.

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fishy lemmy.today fishy@lemmy.today
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IMO it is the worst out of the last few games (SA, Chinatown Wars, IV, V), but I also think that its product of its time. It’s bad in hindsight, but was it actually considered bad back then?

Vice City was fantastic when it was released. It was one of the biggest open worlds of it's day.

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wizzim infosec.pub wizzim@infosec.pub
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Hey Niko, it's Roman. Let's go bowling!

PTSD from all thugs harassing me every 15 minutes "hey man, why are you not calling me anymore?"

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tio_bira lemmy.dbzer0.com tio_bira@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Lol no gta game had good writing, 4 was the closest but even that was pretty shit. It was about the humor and satire, which is why the radio shows were better than the missions generally.

I always thought gta series as a extreme parody on real life groups portraited by media.

Like, Vice City was a parody of those gangster and the media at the time, like Scarface or any of those 80s generic b movies.

San Andreas, was the rap and gangs , and those movies with drive-bys, ice cold executions and those shit (like "Don't be a menace to South Central while drinking your juice on the hood").

Those don't supposed to have Shakespearean writing, but weird little pastiches from real life with good, and sometimes, amazing character writing

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