I"m just disappointed that this is the limit to the progress achievable from the best candidates the left can offer. I don't like having to compromise on anything considering how uncompromisingly awful this administration has been about everything. Making sure your hands are thoroughly washed isn't about some goofball idea of purity, it's a practical precaution.

Glad to know I'm not the only one who noticed this. Him and Mamdani are brave people despite the bigotry. Their fighting prowess (which corporate Dems lack and it's by intention from them) is what's very needed to push against fascism.

This is the same reason why they're so obsessed with Hasan. The right has benefited from a perception that men, or at least "real" men, don't have a place on the left. It's been a highly effective strategy that shifts things away from the actual issues and onto meaningless aesthetics, and which is partially responsible for the political gender gap, particularly among young men who are more impressionable in that way. Having at least a handful of men who can challenge that perception (provided it doesn't fall into actual toxicity) is, from a purely pragmatic perspective, strategically invaluable.

The right understands the potential impact of such aesthetics better than many on the left do, and so they're desperate to discredit such figures, and especially, to try to get liberals and leftists to denounce them, because the goal is to reinforce this narrative that men have no place on the left. Of course we shouldn't let their narratives dictate our actions, but we should at least be aware of them and try to avoid playing into them. Know the enemy.

No, you're upset that someone with good positions is being praised for qualities that shouldn't matter instead of their policies

But those traits do matter - the fact that El-Sayed delivers his message in a way that inspires confidence in low information voters doesn't take away from his positions. Instead, it empowers his positions. It enables positive change

This is what forward progress looks like. This is what winning looks like. It's progressive policy in a pretty package. It's good delivery of a good message

Nothing about that is a compromise

Watching from EU

No, you’re upset that someone with good positions is being praised for qualities that shouldn’t matter instead of their policies

Yikes. Blocked.

Dude is so spicy. I've never seen a candidate clap back as hard as he does.

TIL, but also that's not what I meant. He's a grifter, therefore he knows he's pushing bullshit rather than being that dumb is what I was trying to say.

Buddy had to hand over his dick

Yeah... intelligence and the truth scare the dogshit out of them. They're good at name calling. That's about their entire strategy. They really like name calling other people what they're really doing. Trump says "dem election fraud" when in fact it's his election fraud. Congress calls dem presidencies corrupt and full of fraud and instead it's the republicans who have almost, ALMOST... overturned the American government.

Watch out though - those sorry redcoats resort to violence, because after all, America is ALMOST trump's "mob" - and that's how animals "rule".

Mamdani too, they don't know how to counter it because they're used to people being cautious after they speak, because they're fucking insane. They mistake that for backing down.

I did. I would still make the same point. We don't need to make every conservative a true progressive believer. We need to see material change that makes things better for everyone (which will probably help change many conservatives view of what is OK/good).

This is not a "by any means necessary" thing, it's a "use what levers you have access to" thing.

Trump would love to admire his cock through an oddly worded monologue

Well, we need a lot more quick witted democrats because the majority of them are like deer in headlights.

Of course we shouldn't let their narratives dictate our actions, but we should at least be aware of them and try to avoid playing into them. Know the enemy.

In this case I think you're correct, but in general we've spent way too long letting them dictate the terms of engagement

They're going to attack our people, whether we give them opportunities or not. I think we need to worry less about playing into them, instead we need to bulldoze through their attacks like the petty insults they are

But I'm this case I fully agree - we need to stop taking the bait when they demand we disavow this guy or that group. It's a loaded question... If you refuse to "disavow", it sounds to the low info voter like you tacitly support someone who sounds bad and scary. If you do, it implies there's some relationship there that you're betraying. You can't answer loaded questions,

We need to do more like El-Sayed did... Turn it back on them as the stupid question it is..."I haven't heard you disavow the Muslim brotherhood, why are you asking me? We all know why you're asking me, come on, say it"

Fucking Cinema right there

We need to do more of that... When you're asked a loaded question, the only answer is make them look stupid for asking.

Ask why some twitch streamer matters. Ask them how many hours a day they're on twitch. Demand to go through the audience one by one and avow or disavow each person together. Pick some of Trump's biggest mistakes and ask them to disavow his choices. Bring up his friendship with Epstein. Ask if they'd commit to impeaching Trump if a video of him with a child comes to light

We need to stop letting them control the narrative, and better yet, create our own

That's how I feel about your nonsense! Bye.

To be honest democrats are shitting themselves as well

Turdpublicans are bullies. Of course they can't handle it when someone punches them in the nose.

If Democrats won't fight for themselves, how can they be expected to fight for us? Time to follow Mamdani and grow a spine!

They're still shocked that the GOP won't play nice.

So you'll just be in the same predicament that any American a who isn't a straight white cis male capital owner has always been in.

The people in that predicament right NOW don't have anything to loose.

They are handling it the same as they always do by being brain-dead mouth breathing racist shitbags

Yeah about that. I'm trans and bi. So that is indeed my situation and I'm tired of every president, left or right, either merely tolerating my existence or wanting me dead. I'm willing to vote for the least of the evils when it counts, but I will not stop protesting that the people who are supposed to be progressive are okay falling right back in line behind the same kind of people that drove us to this point to begin with. Call me idealist, call me naive, call me ignorant, say whatever you like. I don't care. None of the people replying to me understand what the fuck I'm saying and they all act like I'm some kind of secret agent trying to nitpick and sow division among the left, when the truth is most of the left doesn't actually care about trans rights nearly as much as they claim, when it actually matters. They'll still say "maybe later" and vote for another cisgendered symbol of masculinity. Well, fuck that. And fuck this thread, too.

Absolutely spot on. The existence of Hasan, El-Sayed and Mamdani flies directly in the face of the toxic masculinity propaganda they've been espousing to young men.

People like Pete Hegseth, who are so obsessed with the appearance of traditional "masculinity" despise that these people not only exist, but outclass them in every way.

That was great. Thanks for the link.

That ending question by Abdul and tommys walk out was great.

That was epic!

I understand your perspective and it makes sense to me. I just don't think that stuff is bro-y IMHO. Seems more like trying to reach younger voters (.. who happen to be bros... 🤔)