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cm0002
lemdro.id
cm0002@lemdro.id Joined: 2025-06-07 |
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crenquis
lemmy.today
crenquis@lemmy.todayJoined: 2026-10-01 |
The receipt Putting it together: roughly 1 in 132.1 million browsers look like yours. None of this used a cookie Second visit: I've seen you before, you first showed up earlier today. This is visit number 2. And you came straight here, no link, no search. You remembered the URL by heart. That is almost sweet.how? And you cleared some of it, 2 of my hiding places were empty when you arrived. I restored them from the ones you missed. This is what tracking looks like without cookies.how? |
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xav
programming.dev
xav@programming.dev Joined: 2023-08-27 |
The receipt Putting it together: roughly 1 in 132.1 million browsers look like yours. None of this used a cookie Second visit: We've met before I've seen you before, you first showed up earlier today. This is visit number 2. And you came straight here, no link, no search. You remembered the URL by heart. That is almost sweet.how? And you cleared some of it, 2 of my hiding places were empty when...
I came back 1 min later and it didn't recognize me. |
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queeradjacent
sh.itjust.works
queeradjacent@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2026-08-10 |
Is there a fingerprint randomizing browser or plugin yet? Last time I lazily researched it there just wasn't one good enough, I keep limping along with ublock and umatrix and all that. |
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snoons
lemmy.ca
snoons@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-16 |
Is there a fingerprint randomizing browser or plugin yet? Last time I lazily researched it there just wasn't one good enough, I keep limping along with ublock and umatrix and all that.
AFAIK (which isn't much), LibreWolf does this by standardizing all it's 'outputs' so no one can tell either browser apart. As long as you don't change anything that is. |
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snoons
lemmy.ca
snoons@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-16 |
>connects to site with NoScript |
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whaleross
lemmy.world
whaleross@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-02 |
>connects to site with NoScript >nothing loads >checkmate π
Like most of the rest of the internets. |
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Scoopta
programming.dev
Scoopta@programming.devJoined: 2023-06-29 |
Like most of the rest of the internets.
Technically you're referring to the web |
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WhoIzDisIz
lemmy.today
WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today Joined: 2026-04-27 |
Doesn't remember me using Firefox Focus, which is the point of that browser. Pegged me at 1:119M. |
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queeradjacent
sh.itjust.works
queeradjacent@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2026-08-10 |
AFAIK (which isn't much), LibreWolf does this by standardizing all it's 'outputs' so no one can tell either browser apart. As long as you don't change anything that is.
Giving up umatrix would be hard, but maybe this'd replace DDG for my "I just need this site to work right now" browser π€ |
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snoons
lemmy.ca
snoons@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-16 |
Giving up umatrix would be hard, but maybe this'd replace DDG for my "I just need this site to work right now" browser π€
It's what I always use if I'm ordering anything online, especially if the site I'm interacting with has like 17 different scripts it needs to function properly, or has been shown to play high pitched sounds through your speakers to connect your desktop session with your phone (aliexpress). >..> |
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snoons
lemmy.ca
snoons@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-16 |
Technically you're referring to the web
It's actually more like a series of tubes... |
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SwooshBakery624 [they/them]
programming.dev
SwooshBakery624@programming.dev Joined: 2024-11-23 |
Giving up umatrix would be hard, but maybe this'd replace DDG for my "I just need this site to work right now" browser π€
https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/wiki/4.1-Extensions#-dont-bother |
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IceFoxX
lemmy.world
IceFoxX@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-06-05 |
It's what I always use if I'm ordering anything online, especially if the site I'm interacting with has like 17 different scripts it needs to function properly, or has been shown to play high pitched sounds through your speakers to connect your desktop session with your phone (aliexpress). >..>
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snoons
lemmy.ca
snoons@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-16 |
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I WANNA LIVE IN THE WOODS but shit the woods have all been turned to walmart supercentres |
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ulterno
programming.dev
ulterno@programming.dev Joined: 2024-11-12 |
AFAIK (which isn't much), LibreWolf does this by standardizing all it's 'outputs' so no one can tell either browser apart. As long as you don't change anything that is.
Other than that the site can tell it is Librewolf. While on firefox (on a close enough version), the Audio data was coming unsupported, which made it ~30% similarity ratio. On checking now though, the Audio data is visible with firefox. What made my browser unique was the Canvas and the List of fonts. The latter tends to change every now and then without me doing anything special, because I just downloaded too many fonts. |
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Blue_Morpho
lemmy.world
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-11-14 |
The receipt Putting it together: roughly 1 in 132.1 million browsers look like yours. None of this used a cookie Second visit: We've met before I've seen you before, you first showed up earlier today. This is visit number 2. And you came straight here, no link, no search. You remembered the URL by heart. That is almost sweet.how? And you cleared some of it, 2 of my hiding places were empty when...
I'm dubious of the stats. Sure if you include China, India, and Africa, your 1in 100M. But let's look at it the other way. East Coast population: 128M Primary language English: 77% (realistically for people in US browsing it's closer to 90%) = 29 M Screen Resolution was wrong. But realistically it's identifying your phone model which tend to have unique resolutions. Phones outnumber desktops 8 to 1. So it identified my Pixel which is 4%. It claims "Do not track on" is rare at 1 in 186,000 but that's the default for Chrome, Edge, Firefox and Safari. So that means I'm in a pool of 1.1M other users. Now there are other fingerprints that can narrow it down more, but imo standing in a crowd of over 1M identical people is sort of anonymous. Btw, I got the same 1in 132M number that you got. |
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IceFoxX
lemmy.world
IceFoxX@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-06-05 |
I WANNA LIVE IN THE WOODS but shit the woods have all been turned to walmart supercentres
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refalo
programming.dev
refalo@programming.dev Joined: 2024-04-13 |
>connects to site with NoScript >nothing loads >checkmate π
This is actually much worse for privacy than leaving everything stock, because a site can tell you aren't downloading or running any javascript, and that immediately puts you in an extremely tiny bucket of people it needs to differentiate from, making any differences visible via IP/TCP/TLS/HTML/CSS much more unique. And yes, fingerprinting is possible with just HTML and/or CSS... I would argue even moreso without JS. |
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queeradjacent
sh.itjust.works
queeradjacent@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2026-08-10 |
DON'T BOTHER uMatrix β οΈ No longer maintained, the last release was Sept 2019 except for a one-off patch to fix a vulnerability Everything uMatrix did can be covered by prefs or other extensions: use uBlock Origin for any content blocking. https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/wiki/4.1-Extensions#-dont-bother
Okay but what "other extension" let's me hyperactively manage which exact domains I allow requests to? π |
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queeradjacent
sh.itjust.works
queeradjacent@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2026-08-10 |
It's what I always use if I'm ordering anything online, especially if the site I'm interacting with has like 17 different scripts it needs to function properly, or has been shown to play high pitched sounds through your speakers to connect your desktop session with your phone (aliexpress). >..>
Ah, no official Android version, boo. |
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CkrnkFrnchMn
lemmy.ca
CkrnkFrnchMn@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-06-29 |
Holly f... |
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tyler
programming.dev
tyler@programming.dev Joined: 2023-06-12 |
Almost all of the data it showed me was inaccurate, whew. Firefox doing a good job there.
incorrect, it needs to be very accurate if it's actually going to track you. If you block tracking scripts and all a website can do is fingerprint you then they're getting nothing besides "you read this article" or "you visited this page" with no way to sell that data. noticeably the ad sales section was almost completely empty for me. If a single bit of my information changes the previous fingerprint was completely useless. also this site is just making shit up π output when I typed a single letter at a type with half a second between each, and quit the sentence as soon as it said I could:
output when I typed full speed
is just laughably incorrect though. maybe it's based on how many people have actually visited the site like that? but most people have multiple devices, if not a work computer and cell phone at minimum. that would mean only 150k people have firefox nicely randomizes output between runs, so it was 16core the first time, 8 core the second time. finally this "1 in x" is just laughably wrong. it always says 1 in 133.2 million, even if I give it more data like the size of my screen (which is 1 in tens of millions). not saying that fingerprinting doesn't work, it obviously does, but this site is shit and doesn't prove that point at all. |
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Damage
feddit.it
Damage@feddit.it Joined: 2023-06-12 |
nope, clicked a link on lemmy |
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hirihit640
sh.itjust.works
hirihit640@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-10-28 |
This is actually much worse for privacy than leaving everything stock, because a site can tell you aren't downloading or running any javascript, and that immediately puts you in an extremely tiny bucket of people it needs to differentiate from, making any differences visible via IP/TCP/TLS/HTML/CSS much more unique. And yes, fingerprinting is possible with just HTML and/or CSS... I would argue ...
Fingerprinting can usually identify you uniquely. So even if only two people in the world were using NoScript, it would still be more private than getting fingerprinted. Edit: btw I'm talking about Javascript fingerprinting. Other methods like HTML and CSS are far less effective and rarely seen in the wild. |
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refalo
programming.dev
refalo@programming.dev Joined: 2024-04-13 |
Fingerprinting can usually identify you uniquely. So even if only two people in the world were using NoScript, it would still be more private than getting fingerprinted. Edit: btw I'm talking about Javascript fingerprinting. Other methods like HTML and CSS are far less effective and rarely seen in the wild.
IMO "more private" is pointless when you're still unique either way |
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hirihit640
sh.itjust.works
hirihit640@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-10-28 |
IMO "more private" is pointless when you're still unique either way
If you use Tor + NoScript, you won't be unique. You'll blend in with the other Tor + NoScript users, of which there's probably hundreds |
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a_non_monotonic_function
lemmy.world
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-10-22 |
If you use Tor + NoScript, you won't be unique. You'll blend in with the other Tor + NoScript users, of which there's probably hundreds
There are literally dozens of us! Dozens!!! |
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nemith
programming.dev
nemith@programming.dev Joined: 2023-07-08 |
But Fred Durst did it all for the cookie! |
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refalo
programming.dev
refalo@programming.dev Joined: 2024-04-13 |
If you use Tor + NoScript, you won't be unique. You'll blend in with the other Tor + NoScript users, of which there's probably hundreds
Hard disagree, there are still ways to uniquely fingerprint you. |
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hirihit640
sh.itjust.works
hirihit640@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-10-28 |
If you use Tor + NoScript, you wonβt be unique Hard disagree, there are still ways to uniquely fingerprint you.
Pray tell |
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hirihit640
sh.itjust.works
hirihit640@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-10-28 |
If you use Tor + NoScript, you wonβt be unique Hard disagree, there are still ways to uniquely fingerprint you.
FYI if you are talking about HTML and CSS fingerprinting, I have never seen them used in the wild, and they are trivially detectable (for example a bunch of hidden :hover elements on the page), so Tor Browser would add defenses if they did start appearing in the wild. |
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SwooshBakery624 [they/them]
programming.dev
SwooshBakery624@programming.dev Joined: 2024-11-23 |
Okay but what "other extension" let's me hyperactively manage which exact domains I allow requests to? π
uBlock Origin. |
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queeradjacent
sh.itjust.works
queeradjacent@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2026-08-10 |
uBlock Origin.
Not the same function, I use both already. |
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