We know what works and what doesn't work. We have decades of real data from all over the world.

Some aspects of communism work, others do not.

Some aspects of capitalism work, others do not.

Some aspects of fascism work, others do not.

Some aspects of socialism work, other do not.

... and so on

By "work" I mean increasing the standard of living and lifespan of citizens when compared to tribal living. The bar is pretty low, really. I think we should apply what works the best, regardless of the source, but nobody listens to me.

The USA definitely abused the term "communism" into the ground for almost a century; since the creation of the CIA communism has been our enemy number one, and we've spread a lot of misinformation purposefully and with full knowledge.

But, we do know some things for a fact, and should work off of that. For example, standard of living was much higher in Western than Eastern Germany. But... that doesn't mean that Eastern Germany didn't have any benefit to its people. Just less benefit. Why? That's the rub.

Pardon my rambling incoherent thoughts on a comic.

why I can't see the current iteration of Democracy to be of value for the future. Humans value knee jerk responses too much even if iys to the dentriment of the ir foot flying off.

An educated society is just too improbable when the IQ of the average person is on a range tather than a fixed variable.__

Haha no it's mods modding to your benefit, mods did it.

No I am not, this is not the first time I see this behaviour.

Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat – the burden of proof lies with the one who speaks, not the one who denies.

I would need to see their comments before celebrating because nah nah, naaaaaaaaaaaaaah, we're not just going to celebrate mods mass-banning opinions they don't like.

Unless it was actually hateful or filthy in some way. "Communism is good actually" does not count as hateful.

Comment from @Cowbee on the east/west germany differences below

Comparing west and east Germany, eastern Germans enjoyed more secure lives with better safety nets, and were strapped for luxuries because the Soviet Union sought reparations for World War II. The western side was not de-Nazified like the eastern side was, and was flooded with cash and NATO armaments from the US Empire to serve as a foothold against the socialist bloc.

Not just to his benefit, but to the benefit of workers across the globe.

When reactionaries spit anticommunist propaganda, shutting them down is a service to womankind.

Do you think that if the mods did not ban people, that I would not still be more supported than not? Why do you think it's to my personal benefit?

ETA mods are mean, good Lord now I have to go through eight steps to find the good stuff that they deleted. Lame

ETA 2- Mods have translated “be civil” rule into “I do what I want” why bother to post rules just do what you want

Quit your crying over racist shit being removed

removing reactionary racist shit is to the benefit of marginalized people, not to the benefit of white people

OK, I don't care because you've already had accusations that were proven wrong despite you refusing to bring any proof yourself. And instead you just backtrack and double down.

I asked if you wanted me to prove it and a moderator removed it for "trolling," but not before you responded "Lol. Have a good evening, man."

but not before you responded “Lol. Have a good evening, man.”

You are confusing me with another.

Some aspects of fascism work, others do not.

Hmm.

True, but a bit pedantic; you have your reason why I can't prove it.

The good news is it's publicly available for you to dig around in.

Can you link to any primary materials ideally from Marx outlining the use of the scientific method for political means? There's all sorts of a minority controlling a majority that aren't capitalistic, monarchy being the classic alongside dictatorships and oligarchies with varying economic structures.

lmfao

Then you check their modlog and then you start to understand why they are being such a pissbaby over moderation.

The good news is it’s publicly available for you to dig around in.

I know, I don't care. Your posts here and before is already more than enough proof of why people were right to be hostile towards you.

I expect it is pretty irritating when someone politely disagrees if you're used to doormats and mods removing dissent.

Ah well, enjoy your echo chamber. Sorry your bad faith arguments didn't convince me.

ok go back to reddit

Nah, Reddit is too corporate and fascist friendly.

Engels' Socialism: Utopian and Scientific is enormously helpful for this.

Love to have my definitions be dependant on the current value of the USD.

So if the dollar were to undergo enough inflation, policies in other countries would suddenly become capitalist.

I wish you people would actually think about what you say even a little

The thing is: has Communism ever produced a good example in any country or historical period?

Yes

I don't know what "flavor" you're looking for. Apparently you have some kind of set of related but different ideas that in your head form the notion of communism. And apparently this notion leads you to think that Bernie or AOC are in favor of communism. But neither of them is in favor of anything that even remotely resembles any commonly accepted definition of communism.

lol they have responded to everyone EXCEPT this one

Being charitable, they may have nothing to add and may agree with me, or they may be busy and/or sleeping.

sadly, doubt it. If you've seen their other posts.

Still helps to be charitable, the worst that happens is I get ignored or insulted for trying, which just makes it clearer for anyone viewing that I was the only one actually taking it seriously.

I am envious of your patience!

I see it more as pragmatism, but thank you!

I don’t know what “flavor” you’re looking for.

I thought that was clear, and made abundantly so by my soapbox you just replied to (that it seems like you didn't read).

Let me be as blunt as possible so you don't miss it again:

What does (the person behind) lemmy.world/u/wpb believe "communism" and "socialism" are?

Both can have radically different forms and definitions, throughout history and between people. Debating whether or not anyone in the US is in favor of either obviously highly depends on what form we're talking about.

Mamdani is opening government-run grocery stores. That's socialism - wouldn't you agree?

Ask an anticommunist to describe communism...

they got Stalin.

whom western liberals will never, ever forgive for beating up their friends in 1945

Oh, you're the "I was banned simply for having a difference of opinion" type of nazi. How boring

It would be a rather extreme stretch of the imagination to paint me as a nazi, given I hate nazis, but obviously I can't stop you from making stuff up to please yourself.

I think you're making up reasons to be here to please yourself

Nah, I like learning from socialists - they've got a wealth of great ideas.

Unfortunately some communities of them are quite hostile, as I'm finding out via Lemmy.

Please don't tell me you don't believe in the Graeat Purge and the consequent mass deportations carried by the NKVD.

Okay, best of luck breaking your inexplicable pattern of negative interactions with communists

"Believe in"? Like, as an article of faith?

Please don't tell me you believe in the liberation of Auschwitz and the toppling of Nazi Germany, I guess?

"believe in" as "think something is true" or "recognizing the veracity of something"

Purge yes, you're gonna have to be more specific on the rest. But what is your point, is my question?

I know that was probably sarcastic, but in case it wasn't:

Thank you.

My point is you think I'm arguing stalin is bad because of the cold war