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NeatNit discuss.tchncs.de NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2024-01-05
#102 · Quote Reply

So is "hoisted" in this case the equivalent of "yeeted"?

Ain't no two ways about it

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Scrubbles poptalk.scrubbles.tech scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
Joined: 2023-06-02
#103 · Quote Reply

whats the point of a modern replacement? idioms connect us across time and when they really have not modern sense (which there is enough understanding of cookware I don't think we hit that with pot and kettle) then it becomes an interesting backstory.

To be funny is why.

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NeatNit discuss.tchncs.de NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2024-01-05
#104 · (edited) Quote Reply

All the horse ones because we don't use horses anymore. There a ton of them. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Who tf gets a gift horse? Saddle up. Who tf has a saddle? Hold your horses. Who tf has horses to hold? Get off your high horse. Who tf has a high horse? Beat a dead horse. WTF.

Quit horsing around. You're really putting the cart before the horse.

Edit: sorry, gotta go. I need to see a man about a horse.

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Scrubbles poptalk.scrubbles.tech scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
Joined: 2023-06-02
#105 · Quote Reply

All the horse ones because we don't use horses anymore. There a ton of them. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Who tf gets a gift horse? Saddle up. Who tf has a saddle? Hold your horses. Who tf has horses to hold? Get off your high horse. Who tf has a high horse? Beat a dead horse. WTF.

I'm sure there's something there with e-scooters. Get off your segway max extreme and get down here. Don't look at the speed regulator of a free scooter. Hold onto your brakes? Idk I'm just spitballing here

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NeatNit discuss.tchncs.de NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2024-01-05
#106 · Quote Reply

I think that many historic trades have been automated to the extent their old terminology is obscure but lives on in idioms. "To the bitter end" (bitter end meaning the lose end of a rope, from rope-working - not entirely extinct but obscure). Perhaps that one could be "To the edge node"! "Strike while the iron is hot" (from blacksmithing, again not entirely an extinct craft but largely replace...

That's very good.

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Nibodhika lemmy.world Nibodhika@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-10
#107 · Quote Reply

in Hungarian it's "the owl calling the sparrow 'big-headed'" 😄 we usually shorten it to just "owl calling the sparrow" (doesn't have the same ambiguous meaning as English)

I didn't mentioned it above, but found that very similar to it in Spanish where we say "El burro hablando de orejas al conejo" (the donkey talking about ears to the rabbit) which we shorten to "El burro hablando de orejas" (the donkey talking about ears)

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NeatNit discuss.tchncs.de NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2024-01-05
#108 · Quote Reply

When I was a kid, I remember asking my mom about this phrase because it made no sense to me. Why in the world would one even want a cake if they weren’t going to eat it? What is the point?! (I have always been particularly fond of cake — eating it, that is — who cares if it’s pretty if it tastes good?)

According to legend, some people have what's called "deferred gratification", by which they drive pleasure out of knowing that they will get to eat the cake later.

I don't get it either. I think it's a myth.

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Dagobah lemmy.world Dagobah@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-25
#109 · Quote Reply

whats the point of a modern replacement? idioms connect us across time and when they really have not modern sense (which there is enough understanding of cookware I don't think we hit that with pot and kettle) then it becomes an interesting backstory.

No real reason, just something to talk about while we all wait around to die really đŸ€·. I agree with your sentiment - the stories and imagery behind old idioms actually make them more interesting, I dont think they'll be going anywhere soon!

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stringere sh.itjust.works stringere@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-08-15
#110 · Quote Reply

pation

RIP Timmy

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stringere sh.itjust.works stringere@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-08-15
#111 · Quote Reply

I cannot possess cake without eating it

I cannot possess cake because I'm not a demon. Yet.

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stringere sh.itjust.works stringere@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-08-15
#112 · Quote Reply

According to legend, some people have what's called "deferred gratification", by which they drive pleasure out of knowing that they will get to eat the cake later. I don't get it either. I think it's a myth.

But maybe you will someday in the future...

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vithigar lemmy.ca vithigar@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2023-06-26
#113 · Quote Reply

To be honest, I was never prepared to know what "hoisted by one's own pitard" meant, and knowing today, I still have no clue how this was ever relevant to any time period. A pitard is a timed bomb used to to blow down a door or wall. The idiom is about blowing yourself up mistakenly instead. Were people using these routinely at some point?

They don't need to have been used routinely, just knowledge of their use had to be common. In the same way that "shooting yourself in the foot" makes sense even to people who have never used a gun. It was enough to know what "hoist" and "petard" meant to piece together the intent of the phrase. Then once the phrase itself became common the specific knowledge was no longer necessary.

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stringere sh.itjust.works stringere@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-08-15
#114 · Quote Reply

Make a wish in one hand and a crap in the other, and see which piles up faster.

Applying wishes were horses to this could be dangerous.

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Dagobah lemmy.world Dagobah@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-25
#115 · (edited) Quote Reply

All the horse ones because we don't use horses anymore. There a ton of them. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Who tf gets a gift horse? Saddle up. Who tf has a saddle? Hold your horses. Who tf has horses to hold? Get off your high horse. Who tf has a high horse? Beat a dead horse. WTF.

Great examples! 'champing at the bit' also comes to mind. I think cars fill in pretty nicely as a horse substitute. 'Saddle up' has 'buckle up'. Hold your horses has 'Hit your brakes'. As for gift horses... 'Don't look a gift car under the hood?' Hmm doesn't quite work

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Dagobah lemmy.world Dagobah@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-25
#116 · Quote Reply

before the invention of doorknobs, doors were indeed single use. they would be blown open with every use. this is why we invented chamber pots. midnight bathroom breaks were very loud, before people had pots.

I would like to subscribe to your history newsletter.

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Undoobitably fedinsfw.app Undoobitably@fedinsfw.app
Joined: 2026-09-28
#117 · Quote Reply

I assumed the idiom was from a time when all cookware was made of cast iron.

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Mouselemming sh.itjust.works Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-07-12
#118 · Quote Reply

To be honest, I was never prepared to know what "hoisted by one's own pitard" meant, and knowing today, I still have no clue how this was ever relevant to any time period. A pitard is a timed bomb used to to blow down a door or wall. The idiom is about blowing yourself up mistakenly instead. Were people using these routinely at some point?

Blowing up or at least weakening a portion of a castle wall during a siege would be useful to the besiegers. Even a small petard could break into a building for nefarious purposes. And being a sapper is notoriously dangerous even now.

Of course Shakespeare could have used the name of a larger bomb, or "speared with his own sword" or something. But Shakespeare's audience would also have clocked the fact that pétard is a French pun from péter which makes it a fart joke. And he never missed a chance for a fart joke.

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Undoobitably fedinsfw.app Undoobitably@fedinsfw.app
Joined: 2026-09-28
#119 · Quote Reply

“Burning the midnight oil”

"Following the normal work routine"

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Talcosis lemmy.zip impairedimperator@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-06-03
#120 · Quote Reply

To be honest, I was never prepared to know what "hoisted by one's own pitard" meant, and knowing today, I still have no clue how this was ever relevant to any time period. A pitard is a timed bomb used to to blow down a door or wall. The idiom is about blowing yourself up mistakenly instead. Were people using these routinely at some point?

Yup.

Like that one scene in The Two Towers when Legolas suddenly became unable to shoot his bow.

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Mouselemming sh.itjust.works Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-07-12
#121 · Quote Reply

"One bad apple will spoil the whole barrel" desperately needs to be replaced because nobody has experience with storing apples in barrels so when Michael Jackson subverted it they took it unironically and now many people think it means the opposite.

I'm not techy but something about one line of bad code can jank the whole program?

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ironhydroxide sh.itjust.works ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-11-27
#122 · Quote Reply

I always thought of that idiom as the pot (something generally cast iron and not polished) calling the kettle (something that is polished and therefore reflective) black.

Being that the pot sees itself in the reflection, but calls the kettle that as a derogatory thing, unknowing of it's personal alignment.

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ironhydroxide sh.itjust.works ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-11-27
#123 · (edited) Quote Reply

Drinks like coffee and tea can become bitter when you get down to the dregs. That's what the first saying makes me think of.

Same with distillation, you get the heavies that you don't really want in your drink so you end the process. Ie the bitter end.

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captainlezbian lemmy.world captainlezbian@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#124 · Quote Reply

"One bad apple will spoil the whole barrel" desperately needs to be replaced because nobody has experience with storing apples in barrels so when Michael Jackson subverted it they took it unironically and now many people think it means the opposite. I'm not techy but something about one line of bad code can jank the whole program?

"A bad link breaks the chain" maybe. Or "one bug causes an infestation" for the idea that you can't just solve the initial problem once it gets bad, it spreads if not dealth with

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Tattorack lemmy.world Tattorack@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-10-28
#125 · Quote Reply

All the horse ones because we don't use horses anymore. There a ton of them. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Who tf gets a gift horse? Saddle up. Who tf has a saddle? Hold your horses. Who tf has horses to hold? Get off your high horse. Who tf has a high horse? Beat a dead horse. WTF.

I dunno. Yamiks still beats on horses... In both ways.

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captainlezbian lemmy.world captainlezbian@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#126 · Quote Reply

Great examples! 'champing at the bit' also comes to mind. I think cars fill in pretty nicely as a horse substitute. 'Saddle up' has 'buckle up'. Hold your horses has 'Hit your brakes'. As for gift horses... 'Don't look a gift car under the hood?' Hmm doesn't quite work

"Don't check the resale value of a gift car" maybe

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DantesFreezer lemmy.world DantesFreezer@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-02-09
#127 · Quote Reply

Threshhold

from the time we spread threshes on the floor inside homes and a lip was needed to keep them spilling out.

Modern version?

Ohdear. Cause you yell something along that line when you hit it with your toe.

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captainlezbian lemmy.world captainlezbian@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#128 · Quote Reply

But maybe you will someday in the future...

But I want it now!

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SwingingTheLamp piefed.zip SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip
Joined: 2025-12-27
#129 · Quote Reply

Oh, man, when it comes to nautical idioms, I could go on all day. There are so many, and they've lost their literal connections so thoroughly, you probably don't even think of some of them as idioms. A few that occur to me immediately:

  • taken aback (wind on the wrong side of the sails)
  • give a wide berth (extra space for a vessel to maneuver)
  • leeway (unwanted downwind slippage of the vessel when in motion)
  • above board (on deck, the board being the section of the hull running fore and aft just above the water line)
  • onboard (to load onto the deck of the ship)
  • go by the board (to fall off of the ship into the water, passing the board on the way)
  • hand over fist (two-handed motion to pull in sails, ropes, etc. as quickly as possible)
  • high and dry (above the tide line)
  • loose cannon (a gun insufficiently secured would cause havoc on a warship when fired, or as the ship rolled in waves)

Honestly, I'm not sure that I want modern equivalents, since many are so rich in imagery.

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captainlezbian lemmy.world captainlezbian@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#130 · (edited) Quote Reply

I think I remember seeing a PETA post years ago that suggested "feed two birds with one scone"

Yeah that one bugs me. I can feed multiple birds with one scone easily. I'm putting in too much effort here, but this recipe has the macronutrient mass of a single scone at 90g. The average crow weighs about 300-600g. I chose it because it's a common bird that would be interested in scone and that people like to feed, that's on the bigger end of birds people feed (outside waterfowl). One crow isn't eating nearly a third of its mass in one go, a sixth maybe. Songbirds aren't even getting close to that.

Killing two birds with one stone implies some skill or fortune. You wouldn't say it to describe picking up tomorrow's groceries with today's. Feeding two birds with one scone is only difficult or fortunate if those birds are geese, and even then I assume the only reason two managed to get their bills on that thing is because they're fighting over it.

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igmelonh lemmy.blahaj.zone igmelonh@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2026-08-09
#131 · Quote Reply

Similar to when you "drop the dime" on someone, i.e. using a dime to call the cops on a payphone. Although in my lifetime, I don't think I've heard anyone but Bradley Nowell use that phrase.

Ohhh, that's where "dime you out" comes from.

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igmelonh lemmy.blahaj.zone igmelonh@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2026-08-09
#132 · Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

fwiw I'm nearly 30 and I've never heard that phrase in my life. Maybe a regional thing?

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DamienGramatacus lemmy.world DamienGramatacus@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-21
#133 · Quote Reply

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Ted, is that you?

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tmyakal infosec.pub tmyakal@infosec.pub
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#134 · Quote Reply

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If wishes were horses we'd all be eating steak.

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Mouselemming sh.itjust.works Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-07-12
#135 · Quote Reply

"A bad link breaks the chain" maybe. Or "one bug causes an infestation" for the idea that you can't just solve the initial problem once it gets bad, it spreads if not dealth with

Maybe if we just apply "you find one cockroach, there's a million in the walls" to the same problems like bent police and corrupt politicians...

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FudgyMcTubbs lemmy.world FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-01-01
#136 · Quote Reply

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That is my understanding, yes.

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scutiger lemmy.world scutiger@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-12
#137 · Quote Reply

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Chocolate-flavored frosting

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zabadoh ani.social zabadoh@ani.social
Joined: 2023-11-19
#138 · Quote Reply

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Also, "to dial" a phone number.

From back when land line telephones had rotary dials.

https://youtu.be/vLFKdA5iEo4

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Postmortal_Pop lemmy.world Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world
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#139 · Quote Reply

Yeah that one bugs me. I can feed multiple birds with one scone easily. I'm putting in too much effort here, but this recipe has the macronutrient mass of a single scone at 90g. The average crow weighs about 300-600g. I chose it because it's a common bird that would be interested in scone and that people like to feed, that's on the bigger end of birds people feed (outside waterfowl). One crow i...

Also scones are terrible for the health of birds as are all breads. It's frankly on point that peta would be dumb enough to make their animal friendly term equally as harmful to animals.

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crenquis lemmy.today crenquis@lemmy.today
Joined: 2026-10-01
#140 · Quote Reply

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Always love idioms from other languages. Had a book called "Idioms Delight" that explored equivalents from several different cultures/languages.

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Postmortal_Pop lemmy.world Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world
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#141 · Quote Reply

Not quite updating, but in my house we say "like sweeping the yard" to indicate that something is pointless and wasting time.

"Boss has us doing obviously pointless busy work today"

"Yeah, next he'll be having us sweep the yard!"

Or derogatorily:

"I want you to go do that thing."

"Sure, you want me sweep the yard when I'm done?"

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Krudler lemmy.world Krudler@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-07
#142 · Quote Reply

Ass over teakettle.

I don't think there is a modern equivalent idiom for taking a sloppy fall

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mobyduck648 lemmy.world mobyduck648@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-05
#143 · Quote Reply

Oh, man, when it comes to nautical idioms, I could go on all day. There are so many, and they've lost their literal connections so thoroughly, you probably don't even think of some of them as idioms. A few that occur to me immediately: taken aback (wind on the wrong side of the sails) give a wide berth (extra space for a vessel to maneuver) leeway (unwanted downwind slippage of the vessel when ...

Also today I was literally at the bitter end anchoring a boat with almost all of the available chain.

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tiramichu sh.itjust.works tiramichu@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-06-04
#144 · (edited) Quote Reply

Ass over teakettle. I don't think there is a modern equivalent idiom for taking a sloppy fall

Ass over tit, I have heard.

Which I expect ass over teakettle is actually a polite euphemism for

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Krudler lemmy.world Krudler@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-07
#145 · Quote Reply

Ass over tit, I have heard. Which I expect ass over teakettle is actually a polite euphemism for

No it's not a euphemism. It's literally walking down the stairs with a teapot and falling and ... Well

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Blisterexe lemmy.zip Blisterexe@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2023-11-06
#146 · Quote Reply

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Entering single digits? Only makes sense for those with 24h time I guess

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someguy3 lemmy.world someguy3@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-04
#147 · Quote Reply

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Ignite the midnight petroleum.

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someguy3 lemmy.world someguy3@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-04
#148 · Quote Reply

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"Extra extra read all about it." Said because it was an extra leaflet to the daily newspaper published later in the day.

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Blisterexe lemmy.zip Blisterexe@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2023-11-06
#149 · Quote Reply

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There's tons of replacements, they're not directly equivalent but equally snarky: "Hey part-timer" "Half day?" "Stop by for some coffee?"

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Blisterexe lemmy.zip Blisterexe@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2023-11-06
#150 · Quote Reply

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"Loses dollars to chase cents" is the closest thing I've heard.

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Blisterexe lemmy.zip Blisterexe@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2023-11-06
#151 · Quote Reply

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I'm canadian, so we use metric for that stuff but the expression is still imperial, probably because ounce and pound are a lot more fun to say

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