The goal isn't to keep your data, it's to make it look like you gave the police your real code and just didn't have anything interesting on your phone.

No, we need to keep a crumpled post-it note with the wipe password written on it in our pockets.

It's the police's fault for just typing in the unlabeled code they found. We use our actual passwords all the time - why would we have to keep those written down?

Obvious yes but forensics are not allowed to access that data. Or do you mean that graphene can not operate that way right now?

I think the point was when you use the distress code, it loads a fresh profile and wipes the old one, not to have the two layers both present. If they have possession of the phone and the data is there to be found, they probably will find it. The key is to wipe it all, while making it look like nothing got removed.

Cracked the code or what, it's not like a system set up like that is permanently exploitable?

Kind of. They could pretty easily find out it is not your real profile, and that can lead to other conclusions or investigations. But if sensitive data is gone without any trace att all, then that is the best outcome I guess. It's pretty hard to achieve without a reboot though. I guess this is why they don't bother with the theatrics

This is something I've been saying for a while.

The right constantly fearmongers about pedophiles because CSAM is a really easy tool to frame someone. It's a crime that requires minimal evidence and creates significant disgust.

Expect more of this.

Oh they cracked the code, took over as hosts for a long time, took all keys and routed all traffic through their own servers for months before rolling up the entire operation and arrestings dozens of people who used it for criminal acts like drug trafficking.

Haha of course, it is probably a pretty safe bet for fishermen to look for crime in users of such things. It's a good segway into privacy concerns these days which reminds me; have you heard of our lord and savior

Remember Assange, ie this could happen in any of the Five Eyes.

That's the idea, I believe. A password or at least a gesture passcode remains the most secure option, since it can't just be taken from one's hand without some rubber-hose cryptanalysis.

However, as someone who's stuck my finger into Pixel's fingerprint scanner by accident multiple times, having thankfully never configured it for anything, I don't think that wiping the phone in such a case is really a good idea.

They've been doing that for ages already.

Why not have an option where the encryption key is stored somewhere else or moved somewhere else when the distress code is entered. The data isn't destroyed and now they have to get a court order to access it.

And yet the Epstein files go unaddressed. They know their base will one day eat them alive if allowed so they claw for power to avoid the consequences.

So I guess this boils down to wether it was a "lawful authority to take custody and control". Do they actually need any clear indication for suspecting some crime?

This is happening in GA, the state. He participated in "stop cop city" an anti-police thing. Unless he has a very good lawyer they will put him in prison for anything they can.

Remember folks, until the law applies equally to the owning class, its only there to keep you in line, and they will be willing to overlook anything necessary to keep you in that line.

"Officer Findley acknowledged that officers had no reason whatsoever to believe Mr. Tunick possessed child pornography"

I'm pretty sure if I made up a lie at work I'd get fired. seems to be a requirement for law enforcement

It would be nearly impossible to prove in a court of law that was not your real profile. All you'd have to do is say that is your travel phone and you don't use it for much.

Isn’t this slander?

These child fuckers are now falsely accusing others of child abuse? Why is this not surprising?

Send all these fucking traitors to the camps they keep populating with innocent people.

And to not wipe the phone unless and until it actually gets seized. Preemptively wiping is a pain, because then you have to restore it even if nothing happened.

Why is this not surprising?

Because projection has been their go-to #1 strategy for every single fucking thing for over a decade?

They've already murdered one protestor.

You are proposing a technological workaround to fascism instead of a political actual solution. You see how that's hardly fucking helpful, right?

It happened at a border crossing where the fascists claim you don't have rights, but I fucking dare anybody to show me where in the Constitution justifies that.

The answer will never be "yes." The government lie might be "yes," but that's only because it's tyrannical and illegitimate.

'We searched the hard drive for drugs. No reason, didn't find shit - but by god, we searched!'

surprise 🤡

I know you're being sarcastic, but I think removing cookies and trackers could easily be classified as "self-protection".

But if you shred your blueprints for building a dirty bomb, or delete your contacts to your local drug dealers with the intention of obstructing justice - then, yeah, you're gonna have a bad time.

Oh, that would be the common sense, right? My point is exactly the fact that you don't need to be doing anything illegal in order to be charged. If you're building a dirty bomb, that's illegal. Shredding blueprints is obstruction of justice, an additional charge, that's common sense. But shredding blueprints for a garden shed isn't illegal, because building a garden shed isn't illegal. Just the same, deleting cookies - or wiping your phone clean - shouldn't be illegal, unless it's concealing a crime. Protesting against police brutality is not a crime, organising is not a crime, there is no evidence he did commit any crimes. He's being charged because he prevented a baseless, illegal search. And if preventing an illegal search is a crime, then all searches are legal and privacy is dead.

You were warned long ago, these CP laws will be used to take a lot of people down, just like the drug laws, they all have the same purpose, though different targets.

Every time the government is granted powers, it abuses them. It's in their nature, they can't help it, they are after all people.

That's why transparency is so very important.

You are always a "suspect" for something, and CP is perfect for them to abuse because almost everybody has a phone full of photos, so they always have a "reason" to search your phone. This guy didn't do a goddamn thing.

These cops won't miss a day, and if they do, it will be paid for by us. We don't get to search their phones womp womp

I don't know what the solution is. I think that cops should have to pay the price for abusing our laws, that would be a good start.

'wait til you see the stuff jimbob copied off!!!'

Won't work.

They'll call in experts from the FBI, forensics firms, etc. Show the court other graphene OS models, show what happens when the duress code is entered and ask the agents whether it matched what happened. Demand his lawyers provide an alternative explanation (there are no other plausible ones). Search github and try to find similar reports of the Graphene phones "just doing that" as in wiping themselves or displaying a screen like that. There won't be any. Reasonable conclusion that's good enough for a conviction will be that he gave them the duress code.

He'll either go down or walk on other factors such as the legality of the search, whether the fact he didn't personally enter it counts (I really doubt that holds water, it's like encouraging cops to activate a booby trap that burns down your house, the courts take a dim view of it and it's still destruction of evidence), or some other vague technicality.

Also cops are allowed to lie to you and do it regularly as a matter of practice so the police lying to him about what the search was for is not illegal. It was a tactical, calculated lie designed to outrage the subject and get him to cooperate to prove he wasn't a pedophile.

And the word of authorities is considered to have more weight than the word of your average person so their word it happened like this vs his that it didn't and no other plausible explanations with evidence for his version of events and they'll find against him.

The best thing to do is not cross international borders with sensitive info on your device. The second best thing failing that is to use a securely encrypted device like Graphene that they can't crack and while passing through customs to put it in before first unlock mode such as restarting it.

What Graphene should have is a setting that wipes the phone automatically after so much time without an unlock. They'd have seized his phone, wouldn't be able to crack it. Would set it aside hoping for a future vulnerability to be discovered by those zionist fascists they employ and the phone while in storage and through no direct action of his would wipe itself before they could deploy such a future vulnerability 6-12+ months down the line. Now maybe they already have a way to affect the clock on the device to prevent such a thing but it's the only alternative I can think of to hoping the encryption stands up and there are no vulnerabilities found for years or ever.

As I recall the law they're trying to get him on for giving them a duress password doesn't even reply to data, and requires a physical act, not a verbal one. It's the stretch of a stretch.

I hope the defense points out that the agency almost certainly had other means of accessing data on a phone other than using a password. Never mind that they had no reason to believe that his password was accurate.

If they had said to him "unlock your phone," and he entered the duress password, that might fly. But they didn't. They took his phone, asked him what the password was, and entered it. So technically they did the act.

Keep the duress code written down on a piece of paper in the phone case, under the phone.

I am suggesting both

It's clear that the kiddie porn is made up charge[1], so what makes you think they won't still lie that it was you who wiped it?

[1] how do they know if the phone was wiped? Do they have another source, if so, why phone matters then? Also what are odds that it was Stop Cop City activist.

The people that claim to protect our kids still did not prosecute a single pedophile and a child trafficker connected to Epstein and refuse to release remaining half of the files.

It can stick. Here is your reasonable plausible explanation: What if they maliciously wiped the phone clean after unlocking it just to frame him of something, after finding the data on the phone wasn't justifying the libel or the trouble?

Assuming that they actually didn't have any specific demonstrable reason to suspect him of terrorist activities, maybe someone was just hating him for no rational reason, or just wanted to make an example of him.

Wiping doesn't leave time stamps?

honestly Americans have moved on from child stuff like the Epstein files

Oh my gosh, what horrible thing are they doing now!?

Oh, that is a good one!

Not usually, and you could spoof them if necessary.

I don't make the rules but they already decided it was evidence for possible "kiddie porn"

yeah... your right.

I don’t know what the solution is.

I do. Eliminate the border search exception for the contents of digital devices. It's already trivial for any serious criminal to transfer illegal data over the internet instead of carrying it on physical devices, so such searches are usually a pretext to look for something else.

Not really, no. It is possible to know you wiped it.