Sure, but if 'fuckstick' is your sole 'argument', you can't exactly call foul when someone declines to engage with you for being childish.

For 4 years now, we have perpetually been 90 days from both the AI bubble collapsing and AI stealing all of our jobs.

Also: AGI soon™

Well, they were being truthful and children tend to be exceedingly honest. So yes, it was childish, in a way.

As time goes by, you just learn to understand that some people are just not worth your time.

Also, you did not disagree with me because you didn't reply to any comment of mine. Oh, and there was nothing vague about the insult.

Cheers.

I literally never said any of those things. Do you want to engage with people or just have fictional discussions in your own echo chamber?

Also, forking a repo or using someone's library without any momey exchanging hands is pretty different from using a glorified psychophantic prediction model that spits out results (for which it does charge money, mind you) for you to turn around and go "I made dis". All of this while you can't buy anything anymore and the bubble grows and grows. It's like the "this is fine" meme, but you just can't see the fire and you actually believe that everything is fine.

Children don't typically express honesty with 'fuckstick'. 'Childish' here is used to refer to the absence of capacity or ability to engage in constructive discussion. But feel free to keep painting 'fuckstick' in any shade you like. I personally prefer 'Yo mama' jokes when I lack the ability to win a particular argument.

As time goes by, you just learn to understand that some people are just not worth your time.

No u

Yeah, I will totally go and say, "Look at that wonderful sloppy slop I made" while praising an insane bubble kept alive by 24/7 propaganda fairy tales.

Oh wait... no I won't. And actually criticised that bullshit and the fake discussion directed by idiot tech-bros to keep the hype alive. Those lines you try to put into my mouth seem to belong to some idiot in your "fictional discussion in your own echo chamber".

Except that you didn't say any of that in this specific thread? Should I have read your mind? I also never said that you thought AI was great. I simply criticized the technology and that struck a nerve, apparently.

You're a bit on edge buddy, relax.

Look everybody, they only quoted a part of the comment. They're learning! Yay!

"Typically" doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. Checkm8, bud.

I literally never said any of those things. Do you want to engage with people or just have fictional discussions in your own echo chamber?

Also, are we forgetting that AI models were trained by stealing from a fuckton of people? How are folks ok with this? Why is the discussion solely about how well the models work? Where is everyone’s moral compass?

Also considering how often you miss the mark with it, maybe look up what psychopath actually means...

They said I "argued for" open source, copyleft and how copyright should not exist at all. I literally never said any of that.

I'm done dude. If you want to keep spiraling, be my guest. Good job on the quoting stuff though. Your kinda getting the hang of it.

Atleast NT is not vibecoded yet, not sure about BSD.

You said I “argued for” open source, copyleft and how copyright should not exist at all.

I'm not OP. But I think OP has you pegged.

I get why the quoting bothers you, but ime, people with a particular style of 'reasoning' tend to go back and edit or delete all of their comments.

The quoting bit is just me teasing you and the edit was just that I said "you" when I should've said "they" in the first sentence. Sorry to disappoint, I guess.

Also, accusing others of deleting or editing their comments while using an account that isn't even a month old kinda looks like projection.

If NT is refering to the windows kernal then I got bad news for ya

The userspace is 30% vibecoded as the world has seen with w11 on a daily basis jajaja.

NetBSD has a clear stance on no ai.

I find this exceptionally upsetting.

The quoting bit is just me teasing you and the edit was just that I said “you” when I should’ve said “they” in the first sentence. Sorry to disappoint, I guess.

Also, accusing others of deleting or editing their comments while using an account that isn’t even a month old kinda looks like projection.

Interesting interpretation of my comment. Do you often feel that people on the internet are out to get you?

by that logic, devs should also disclose their preferred IDE, colorscheme, and favorite programming language. Mine are kakoune, gruber dark(-ish custom) and rust respectively btw. I'm not ready to trust someone with python in their favorites (I'm extremely racist towards python)

Also Haiku OS and Ironclad OS

In the universe where the "where it came from" can't affect the end quality, the question itself indeed becomes irrelevant. And in case of the Linux kernel it is indeed irrelevant, as the code will be reviewed, appraised and tested before releasing.

And yes, the utilitary mindset is more applicable towards code than it is to art. Unless we're talking about stuff like ioccc, where the code itself is the form of art, code is just a mean, not the end.

Ah yes, because anthropic, openai and whatnot own the very concept, the principles behind modern llm and transformer models.

Why is it more applicable to code than art?

You can see my other posts in this same thread but I think you are taking that claim as a given. If I'm judging two pieces of software, why should I only use utility to my needs as the axis upon which I judge them? Why is that ontologically the correct method of judgement?

Why shouldn't I treat alignment with my values, the degree to which the code fostered a community that was pro-social, or the beauty of the code as the means by which I judge the code?

I'm not talking about starscream

Can we as the tech community stop dick riding Linus and accept that he sold out to big tech?

It's seen by a lot of eyes

Wonder how long before the code review is also offloaded to AI and Linux kernel becomes a black box with not even Linus himself knowing well enough how it works and what it does.

This decision baffles me.

100%, just don't worship anyone and have some personality / spine.

NT is definitely vibecoded at this point. Not like we can check anyway.

who?

Short answer, yes.

Long answer: yes, because private property of the means of production is bad. And because AIs got where they are now by stealing content. And because most major AI-companies are in major with fascist and genocidal governments. And because they're speedrunning environmental collapse.

As much as NetBSD takes a stand against AI, it's not banned. They just said AI code has to be signed off by the core team.

I don't understand. Being moral is irrelevant?

LLM code can be committed with "written approval by core." https://www.netbsd.org/developers/commit-guidelines.html#%3A%7E%3Atext=written+approval

Can we as the tech community

Do you talk about everyone in the tech involved? That's hardly a single community under one umbrella. You ask everyone using any tech to believe what you want to, by just asking them to.

stop dick riding Linus

Whatever that even means to you. No one of rides on Linus' dick.

accept that he sold out to big tech

He didn't sold out to big tech.

Linus explained multiple times that he just uses Ai to help him and their maintainers. Everyone involved still need to understand the code.

NT isn't open source too. So nobody cares about NT.

Does not matter how he uses AI. It is a fundamentally unethical technology. Environmental damage, job losses, stealing work from open source programmers and artists, poisoning the young generations mind etc.

I don't give a fuck how Linus uses AI. Linux was here before LLMs were a thing and it can continue to be like this. Linus chose the easy way and disregarded every single negative aspect of it and decided to call it 'just a tool". The exact same excuse every single cuckcoder uses btw.

Does not matter how he uses AI.

It matters a lot.

It is a fundamentally unethical technology. Environmental damage, job losses, stealing work from open source programmers and artists, poisoning the young generations mind etc.

Agreed.

I don’t give a fuck how Linus uses AI.

Doesn't matter what you give a fuck.

Linux was here before LLMs were a thing and it can continue to be like this.

Linux was much different back then and changed multiple times over the course of its existence.

Linus chose the easy way and disregarded every single negative aspect of it and decided to call it 'just a tool".

I do not believe that Linus disregarded every single negative aspect. He still expresses his issues with it if there are. Linus was always pragmatic and practical thinking. From his perspective it is just a tool, like a compiler is.

The exact same excuse every single cuckcoder uses btw.

What is a cuckcoder? (I start thinking with your language and choice of words in both replies, that you have a dick problem.)

I guess, as he suggested, it's time to fork it.

the hardest part is to come pu with a good project name and mascot.

yes, the Linux kernel would probably accept patches from Al Qaeda if it was a good patch and they were allowed to by most governments.

1. Snoorlox
2. Iguana

It would be interesting if this results in Linux being forked or perhaps even more interesting developers and users opposed to AI moving to GNU Hurd or any of the BSD variants.

Because it's literally advertising for LLM companies. Because certain news sites conclude from it that "AI did $thing" instead of "engineer did $thing, using whatever tools they found useful". Because you can't actually enforce it, which makes the tag completely useless.

Any of these reasons is good enough on its own.

As some one here summarised it: it is to stop AI companies from getting free advertisement and endorsement, the kernel itself goes through an unbelievable amount of scrutiny so the disclosure requirement was irrelevant

thank you for telling me how little you understand about the topic.

What kind of psycopath quotes the entire comment they’re replying to? As if your opinions weren’t enough of a red flag.

i think you're being a little rude.

no, that would be me if i'd say we can't move away from capitalism. i am a marxist leninist, i am very much in favour of ending this shit your people have imposed on the rest of mankind. the argument here is use or not use ai for ethical reason, this is what i oppose. it's not ethical, it's reactionary and it doesn't produce a better outcome. i am in favour of a more ethical ai. this implies open local models, not using western models, and regulation and standardization.