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biggeoff
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Posted:   Subject: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote

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slazer2au
lemmy.world
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#2 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

That was quick.

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astropenguin5
lemmy.world
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Joined: 2023-07-04
#3 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

Is there actually a downside to just, typing a random string of numbers manually over a number generator?

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RestrictedAccount
lemmy.world
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Joined: 2023-06-21
#4 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

Is there actually a downside to just, typing a random string of numbers manually over a number generator?

It is not random enough to not be guessed by a state sponsored bot

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biggeoff
sh.itjust.works
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Joined: 2025-06-10
#5 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

Is there actually a downside to just, typing a random string of numbers manually over a number generator?

Aside from humans being terrible random number generators, not as such.

It's better to seed a CSPRNG with a source of entropy though. E.g. there are tools that let you enter the result of many dice rolls and use it to generate a key.

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one_old_coder
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Joined: 2026-02-08
#6 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

Is there actually a downside to just, typing a random string of numbers manually over a number generator?

You are not random enough, that's why we have this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_security_module

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Triumph
fedia.io
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Joined: 2025-09-19
#7 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

That doesn't sound right, but I don't know enough about four to dispute it.

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alpine_jim
piefed.social
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Joined: 2026-07-12
#8 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

You are not random enough, that's why we have this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_security_module

I'm not random enough? But I was holding up a spork! From my Invader Zim bag!

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potatopotato
sh.itjust.works
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Joined: 2023-06-11
#9 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

How did xkcd predict this so perfectly?

https://xkcd.com/221/

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Unreliable
lemmy.ml
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Joined: 2023-06-02
#10 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

How did xkcd predict this so perfectly? https://xkcd.com/221/

Iirc that's in reference to the PS3?

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Taasz/Woof
piefed.social

MangoPenguin@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-06-05
#11 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

Is there actually a downside to just, typing a random string of numbers manually over a number generator?

Yes, typing randomly isn't actually as random as it could be, so a generator will do a better job.

However mashing the keyboard is absolutely better than literally just "4" lol

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tranzystorekk
beehaw.org

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Joined: 2023-05-31
#12 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

How did xkcd predict this so perfectly? https://xkcd.com/221/

when you look for a pattern hard enough, it'll appear sooner or later

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surewhynotlem
lemmy.world
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-13
#13 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

I'm not random enough? But I was holding up a spork! From my Invader Zim bag!

This is why Hot Topic girlies are not in charge of crypto standards. They're "OMG so random", but not mathematically so random.

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MsPenguinette
lemmy.world
MsPenguinette@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-22
#14 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

So yeah, check your shit. I was having fun until I tested if we were affected

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balsoft
lemmy.ml
balsoft@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-06-10
#15 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

I'm not random enough? But I was holding up a spork! From my Invader Zim bag!

Those are all technically words in some dictionary somewhere, arranged in a sensible grammatical order. The entropy is not as high as you may think

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JoeBigelow
lemmy.ca

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Joined: 2023-07-06
#16 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

Am I missing news from today?

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Gumus
lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Joined: 2025-02-28
#17 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

Am I missing news from today?

yes

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Deconceptualist
leminal.space
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Joined: 2025-06-29
#18 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

I caught the xkcd reference. But why olives?

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MinnesotaGoddam
lemmy.world

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Joined: 2023-06-27
#19 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

Yes, typing randomly isn't actually as random as it could be, so a generator will do a better job. However mashing the keyboard is absolutely better than literally just "4" lol

first, what if i have my cat do it. second, why does it matter if a string is maximally random? is there a certain level that is random enough?

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Asetru
feddit.org
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Joined: 2024-06-25
#20 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

I caught the xkcd reference. But why olives?

It's actually an olive reference, with just a little bit of xkcd thrown in:

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RichardDegenne
lemmy.zip
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Joined: 2025-06-10
#21 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

Yes, typing randomly isn't actually as random as it could be, so a generator will do a better job. However mashing the keyboard is absolutely better than literally just "4" lol

What if the generator rolled a 4 though?

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ulterno
programming.dev
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#22 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

How did xkcd predict this so perfectly? https://xkcd.com/221/

eMudhra was probably required to be IEEE-RFC-1149.5 compliant.

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ferret
sh.itjust.works
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Joined: 2023-07-18
#23 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

What if the generator rolled a 4 though?

Then go buy a scratcher

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Ms. ArmoredThirteen
lemmy.zip
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Joined: 2024-12-08
#24 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

So yeah, check your shit. I was having fun until I tested if we were affected

How do you check your shit? I don't even understand what I'm checking for

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AmbiguousCabbage
lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Joined: 2026-10-04
#25 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

I caught the xkcd reference. But why olives?

It's originally a meme about eating 30 olives for dinner.

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BlaestEgnen
feddit.dk
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Joined: 2026-07-09
#26 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

Yes, typing randomly isn't actually as random as it could be, so a generator will do a better job. However mashing the keyboard is absolutely better than literally just "4" lol

Generators aren't intrinsically random either, the project that's closest to random is the lava light room at cloud flare. But a wall of lamalamps aren't random enough, so they add in a few parameters from the moon.

But ultimately, it's not truly random.

Most generators are magnitudes simpler than that and honestly mashing everything at random yourself does a pretty good job at it. Especially if you smash too many characters and then scrambles it before picking a sequence without thought. As the biggest issue with manual button smashing, is the same character either won't appear twice in a row ever or will always appear multiple in a row. Not to talk about special letters, which you likely wouldn't hit - although we could make larger keyboards for the lulz

Ultimately random generators is just a simpler/faster solution, but there's ways of doing something as randomly by hand

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MsPenguinette
lemmy.world
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Joined: 2023-06-22
#27 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

How do you check your shit? I don't even understand what I'm checking for

If you see hello when you got to this site instead of getting an insecure warning, you've got a bit of a problem. https://emuhdra.we-have-a-problem.com/

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Ms. ArmoredThirteen
lemmy.zip
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Joined: 2024-12-08
#28 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

If you see hello when you got to this site instead of getting an insecure warning, you've got a bit of a problem. https://emuhdra.we-have-a-problem.com/

Still don't understand what this is looking for? I recently fired up a server and this all seems like something I should be worried about but I don't really know how to look up the right words. Is there a way for me to go to this site through the cli so I can check on my server? And if my server says hello when I look what does that mean?

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Bane_Killgrind
lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Joined: 2025-06-15
#29 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

If you see hello when you got to this site instead of getting an insecure warning, you've got a bit of a problem. https://emuhdra.we-have-a-problem.com/

I think my pihole filtered that dns request

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Bane_Killgrind
lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Joined: 2025-06-15
#30 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

Still don't understand what this is looking for? I recently fired up a server and this all seems like something I should be worried about but I don't really know how to look up the right words. Is there a way for me to go to this site through the cli so I can check on my server? And if my server says hello when I look what does that mean?

Do you have certificates you've issued to your stuff?

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LumpyPancakes
piefed.social

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Joined: 2025-03-20
#31 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

I think my pihole filtered that dns request
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Clocks [She/They]
lemmy.ml

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Joined: 2024-08-06
#32 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

This is now hanging up in a state office somewhere, at someones desk.

I did that.

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percent
infosec.pub
percent@infosec.pub
Joined: 2025-05-03
#33 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

If you see hello when you got to this site instead of getting an insecure warning, you've got a bit of a problem. https://emuhdra.we-have-a-problem.com/

There's a typo in that URL. https://emudhra.we-have-a-problem.com/

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Ms. ArmoredThirteen
lemmy.zip
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Joined: 2024-12-08
#34 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

Do you have certificates you've issued to your stuff?

I've used certbot to enable https if that's what you mean

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Deconceptualist
leminal.space
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Joined: 2025-06-29
#35 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

It's actually an olive reference, with just a little bit of xkcd thrown in:

Why would I regret eating olives? Because they're salty? Or maybe because I don't like olives?

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_stranger_
lemmy.world
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Joined: 2023-08-02
#36 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

This is now hanging up in a state office somewhere, at someones desk. I did that.

with your fingers

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jxk
sh.itjust.works
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Joined: 2023-06-12
#37 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

How did xkcd predict this so perfectly? https://xkcd.com/221/

What if the person who chose 4 made a reference to xkcd

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Asetru
feddit.org
Asetru@feddit.org
Joined: 2024-06-25
#38 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

Why would I regret eating olives? Because they're salty? Or maybe because I don't like olives?

I don't know. Maybe just eat 30 to 40 and find out?

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Patrikvo
lemmy.zip
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Joined: 2026-02-18
#39 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

'4' is actually a great choice if the attackers would start searching from the highest number down. In fact there are only 4 other possiblities that are better: 0,1,2 and 3. And that is assuming the worse case where '0' is a legal choice. /s

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Deconceptualist
leminal.space
Deconceptualist@leminal.space
Joined: 2025-06-29
#40 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

I don't know. Maybe just eat 30 to 40 and find out?

Well now I regret even asking 😜

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Randelung
lemmy.world
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Joined: 2023-12-18
#41 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

So that's why entropy checks exist.

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laurathepluralized
lemmy.world
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Joined: 2023-06-15
#42 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

What if the person who chose 4 made a reference to xkcd

I bet their machine's password is correctHorseBatteryStaple

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JudgeDredd
lemmy.sdf.org

JudgeDredd@lemmy.sdf.org
Joined: 2023-07-03
#43 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

No one would even assume that someone chose a single character. People with bad intentions would start at with a minimum of 4 or 6 characters?

This way, in case of just bruteforcing your way in, you are indeed very safe. They would brute force into infinity...

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Bane_Killgrind
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-06-15
#44 Posted:   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

I've used certbot to enable https if that's what you mean

Letsencrypt is clean so your services are good

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/mozilla-google-apple-block-compromised-emudhra-ca-certificates/

Browsers are getting patched, you can check if you've updated recently before doing online banking or other stuff.

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Pup Biru
aussie.zone

pupbiru@aussie.zone
Joined: 2023-12-29
#45 Posted: · edited   Subject: Re: Chosen by a fair dice roll Quote Reply

Still don't understand what this is looking for? I recently fired up a server and this all seems like something I should be worried about but I don't really know how to look up the right words. Is there a way for me to go to this site through the cli so I can check on my server? And if my server says hello when I look what does that mean?

it’s tricky because browsers check certificates in 1 way, operating system tools check in another way, and programming languages often check in another way again… and if you run docker containers, they’ll need updates - not just your host OS

browsers should be fine automatically (they check for certificate revocation before even software updates), and system updates on linux at least should cover some things like node, but then you have eg python which ships CA bundles with libraries so will require package updates there or rust which (apparently) often compiles its trust store into its binaries so would require a recompile

this site will easily check browsers, and further down there are curl commands (curl will test your OS trust store), and you could load the same URL in various languages to test them, but again that’s a lot of work to go to when you also have to do that across all docker containers and virtual environments, etc and still tells you nothing about rust binaries

https://emudhra.we-have-a-problem.com/

same advice as ever: stay up to date, do the best that you can… upstream projects will get CVE reports for vulnerable libs, and it should be a very easy to backport a fix so security patches should be quick and easy, even on old versions of software

*edit: that site also lists minimum versions of a lot of things like OS packages, language packages, etc

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