Because it's all theatre.

Yeup. It should be clear still that this is not a reason not to vote D in midterms though.

And it should be noted how the Trump prosecution case stopped when he became president. So it's not at all unimportant who wields the power when it comes to these court cases.

Because you can't arrest, charge, and bring to trial people without evidence, which is what the investigation is for.

Find a billionaire that shouldn't.

Maybe Taylor Swift? Idk, I'm drawing a blank.

Edit: I read this first thing after waking up and skimmed over the double negative. That's my bad lol. 😅

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Yeah, since nothing'll change, let's just keep everything the same, because this is going just swell.

Not a reason to vote D my fucking ass.

I mean investigations are the first part of due process. I agree the rest needs to follow, but an investigation is the start of things.

We also need to quit electing people who like to scuttle investigations, destroy evidence, and stymie witnesses/victims. That is the bigger hindrance to due process.

Not that is support musk in this, but it’s legal to spend any amount of money you want for an election. What did they think would happen?

Where are the democrats standing for fixing that?

I believe there are a few superpak rules left where it has to be “independent” rather than coordinated with a party or candidate, so I’d buy an investigation into what party or candidate hired him to destroy government services under the claim that we can’t afford it (in addition to the trillions in tax cuts for the wealthy)

Of all things to 'both sides' this is stupid. One group is actually following due process, the other is literally ignoring due process and intercepting any attempt to reign in corruption.

And none of that 'controlled opposition' patter, due process was moving forward until Trump was re-elected and every bit of opposition was summarily dismantled and dismissed.

He also fraudulently overstayed his student visa while working before naturalizing.

Way worse than anything Omar’s dad did.

Many of those things are clearly against the law and those perpetrators need to be held accountable (in 2 years, after they can no longer pay for pardons)

But the contrarian view is that’s all they can do.

Congress has been dysfunctional for decades and the republicans have stood together against any bipartisan work. Even with a majority, there’s not much democrats can pass without a supermajority (or congressional reform).

The huge thing that has been missing has been constitutional checks and balances. I don’t know if they can do that without supermajority but they need to try

Given our dysfunctional Congress and the goal to put the brakes on abuses of power, is there anything they can do?

No. Hang him. What more evidence do you need of his immense traitorous harm to America and the working class around the world that would require investigation? You'll lethally inject one person for egregious crimes against one other person, but you'll dither and fret over bringing meaningful consequence to set an example when it's someone who has directly harmed millions worldwide and condemned an entire generation to immeasureable struggle and unprecedented crises. It's vile and pathetic. At this point investigation is a very clear delay and distract tactic, and we all know why this is the best the good cop half of this corporate capital party has to offer.

I really liked that meme comparing immigrants and asking which is under investigation:

• the white trillionaire who publicly admitted to immigration fraud decades ago
• the darker skin congressional candidate who has been a citizen for a longer time, since she was a teenager. Where there are no credible accusations, the paperwork would have been her parents responsibility, and they raided her house on a rubber stamp “intent to terrorize” warrant

Not a reason to vote D my fucking ass.

I'm sorry for being so double negative

The Democrats can't bust the Rs on accepting piles of money and gold Krugerrands, come on now they pulled in a billion dollars to lose. If memory serves, they raised more money than Rs in last election.

The Supreme Court has decided that dollars are free speech (no matter how much) and Space X is people (no matter how stupid that is). This is performative at best in my opinion (just like Ds last 'attempt' to raise the minimum wage)

OR, Democrats will actually derail the money train and clean the White House! Ha that was a joke

One group is actually following due process

Womp womp, that's the joke.

due process was moving forward until Trump was re-elected

They collectively dragged their ass for four years. An obscenity.

Not to mention, Harris took a knee in the last election (why is a mystery but I bet it was $$$).

You know they generally don't advertise for Republican votes in Presidential campaigns, don't you? Harris did ("he doesn't have to know how you voted", unprecedented R outreach). Everybody knows that you need independent votes to win, it's basic math.

I've voted, and you should too. But know the game, don't fall for the dog-and-pony show, that's the patter. You are repeating the D party line, and you can't get more patter than that, friend.

there’s not much democrats can pass without a supermajority (or congressional reform).

Absurd.

The super majority vote is a parliamentary rule and not law. They can skip the super majority with a simple majority vote (as they can with all parliamentary rules).

They skip it all the time... they bypass the "super majority" with regularity. Over 180x the last time I checked.

They could have passed minimum wage increase with a simple majority. Instead, they tied it to a massive budget package.

They never even tried a standalone bill. They performed the bare minimum because it works, people fall for it. It's an open secret and a bit of a joke, really.

Ha, no. It's them. They should be investigating themselves... or at least Republicans.

This? They will piss away a fortune and achieve nothing.

I read this first thing after waking up and skimmed over the double negative. That's my bad lol. 😅

I should have known better seeing as you're not from .ml

There will be enough Republicans in the Senate to block everything.

Yeah, that’s good; send him there.

Well y'know, maybe hang them too.

It took me a few reads to click with the double negative too.

Just like the Dems have investigated January 6th? I'm sure the consequences will be devastating for him.

The fact is, one party has an active and stated goal of stripping the US for parts and the people of their rights. The other is headed up by milque toast corpo stooges. I shouldn't have to write a manifesto detailing the ills and failures of both parties to point out that basic but distinct difference in approaches. Dems are political mercenaries at best, Repubs actively campaign on removing rights.

And I'd love to see the D Party actually run on holding people accountable. Let's not pretend that is an active campaign goal for the Dems. I'd die to hear basic patter like that from Dem leadership. 99% of the time they run to the middle like you pointed out.

investigations are the first part of due process.

That is also the only part that the legislative branch can really do. Based on what is found during investigations, they can recommend charges, but that's about it. Arrests and charges come from the executive branch. Trial and sentencing come from the judicial branch. This separation of power is a safeguard against king shit, and believe it or not, the king shit we're seeing in action is still less absolute than it could be if not for some power not yet ceded to the executive.

That was the feckless Biden Administration. They fucked up royally, and got MAGA elected again. The Dems won't be making that mistake again, or they know they'll find themselves in the same hot seat as MAGA. You may not think the Dems are going to follow up, but the MAGAs certainly do. DC criminal defense lawyers are reporting that business is way up, with potential investigative targets booking their favorite attorney now.

The Dems are already making plans for the investigations. Dems know that even if they could pass legislation, the Demented Queen won't sign it, so the next 2 years are going to focus on Investigations. The plans are already in motion, witness lists are being drawn up, and subpoenas will be issued quickly.

Some people, like Musk, are going to be busy running from one Congressional investigation to another. They won't have time to get in future trouble while they are vigorously defending themselves against past trouble.

It's wild that this is a political matter at all. The judicial system should not depend on what party is in charge. Still can't fully comprehend the level of institutionalized corruption

Revoke his citizenship, nationalize his shit, throw him in prison for a while, and then deport his ass.

High on optimism I see. You forget the only reason musk is back in the loop (along with the rest of the billionaire barons) is to rig the midterm results. Dems aren't getting elected.

They'll dick around and let anything they have fizzle out.

Nah screw that. I'm voting, and if you aren't a bitch you'll vote too.

Unless you wanna sit up there on your lame ass high horse and not be accountable for anything.

It's wild to me that anybody can believe a judicial system can be non-political.

Investigate?

Screw that.

Just tax the MF into oblivion, along with the rest of the rich scumbags pillaging the government and the country.

There are FAR more people that did damage that were actually in charge and supposed to be responsible to and beholden to the citizens of this country. Judges, elected officials, LEOs, military officers. Investigate and bury them.

What I'm about to state is not a personal attack. We can discuss this without hatred even if we end the discussion by agreeing to disagree.

Biden had 4 years to prevent Trumps 2nd term. Biden had arguably the best intel in the world in the world working for him. He had an abundance of resources. One self sabotage (if you want to call it that) was Democrats choosing to have Kamala run against Trump last minute. Even if it wasn't last minute, Kamala is a minority and a woman which is a major disadvantage. Not to make this a race discussion but a white woman couldn't even beat Trump. I'm not trying to make this about race but we can't ignore that.

Democrats didn't mess up. They were complicit.

Democrats and the Biden Admin giving the 2024 election the old-college-try to stop Trump getting reelected wasn't a fumble. They threw the game on purpose. They were fully aware of what was at stake and the climate they were in. Democrats aren't making mistakes. They are letting changes happen and then acting appalled. A sweep in the midterms will only slow down the train but they won't stop it. They can't stop it. The system is broken and has giren significantly more broken in recent years.

the dem playbook

the same way 8 years of obama paved the way for trump, pro-billionaire democrats doing nothing for the working class because they have the same donors as the republicans

Guys vote for us and we'll do something for real this time

Dodge cuts killed people and reduced US soft influence. its leader needs to be investigated. especially for hiring Big balls

All that doge shit was extremely illegal and everyone involved should be tried

I'm sorry for you

maybe vote and stop cuckholding to the russian bots.

Bullshit. They’ll capitulate as they always do. Their only use is to unseat the fascist. Once that is done. We can work to unseat them, and then put someone in the Shite House that will actually do the work.

And then election time will come and we'll get another republican president.

Just win the damn elections first and worry about that after. This is basic football, catch the ball first, THEN run. Planning before execution leads to incomplete passes, or interceptions.

But at least they have to tell the voters roughly what they want to do so the voters know what they are actually voting for. So 'just win the damn elections' should include some indication of their priorities.

and not be accountable for anything.

and pretend to not be accountable for anything. FTFY

The filibuster rule is a parliamentary thing that could be changed/ignored, but the veto is very much unavoidable. Without 2/3rds they cannot pass a thing Trump would object to, and without 2/3rds they can't remove him.

So it was a bit of a bullshit thing when a party has house, senate, and president and still can't vote things through due to the filibuster, but at least for now the democrats are still stuck with the veto.

Exactly. Goes back even further too. This was a long time in the making

to even the playing field, republicans should promise the same! they are good at this promising game~