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tetris11 feddit.uk ![]() tetris11@feddit.uk Joined: 2025-02-17 |
Is such a think possible under Linux? Yeah I know I can ... but is there a tool that automatically does this somehow? e.g.
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pmtriste lemmy.world pmtriste@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-13 |
The tool is "screen" but it isn't going to a file per se, just a session name. |
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solrize lemmy.ml solrize@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-06-22 |
Not sure what you want. You're trying to monitor that process so you can tell when it finishes? You want to know when the file is closed? You can do that with inotify(2). |
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tetris11 feddit.uk ![]() tetris11@feddit.uk Joined: 2025-02-17 |
Not sure what you want. You're trying to monitor that process so you can tell when it finishes? You want to know when the file is closed? You can do that with inotify(2).
I essentially want tmux, without the hassle of needing a tmux server running in the background. I want the convenience of nohup, with the ability to attach to the nohup file of a running process and recover the running session. |
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tetris11 feddit.uk ![]() tetris11@feddit.uk Joined: 2025-02-17 |
The tool is "screen" but it isn't going to a file per se, just a session name. Edit: I guess tmux does the same. What do you see as the difference? Are you trying to also suspend execution so you can reboot?
the use-case is to simply re-attach to a long-running process, I'm not too concerned about a session persisting across reboots, though that would clearly be amazing |
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solrize lemmy.ml solrize@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-06-22 |
I essentially want tmux, without the hassle of needing a tmux server running in the background. I want the convenience of nohup, with the ability to attach to the nohup file of a running process and recover the running session.
I use "screen" which i guess is similar to tmux, if that's of any help. |
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frongt lemmy.zip frongt@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-07-31 |
I googled it for you and found this: https://serverfault.com/questions/24425/can-i-nohup-screen-an-already-started-process It doesn't create a file, but you don't need one. Read all the answers for options on reattaching. I haven't used it, so I can't vouch for any of them. (Personally I just use byobu and have it start with each shell, so I'm always running tmux.) I don't think there's any system that can reliably freeze a single process to disk. Usually that's implemented by the program itself. |
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refalo programming.dev refalo@programming.dev Joined: 2024-04-13 |
https://github.com/nelhage/reptyr https://github.com/jerome-pouiller/reredirect https://github.com/trishume/telefork https://pasky.or.cz/dev/retty/ |
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shiny_idea aussie.zone shiny_idea@aussie.zone Joined: 2024-02-28 |
I think the tool "dtach" might fit the bill. It's supposed to be a lightweight replacement for tmux/screen that only does the detach/reattach parts, and none of the terminal emulation stuff or windowing or any of that. |
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just_another_person lemmy.world just_another_person@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-07 |
This is a very confusing question. What is the concern about this file, and what do you mean about "reattach"? Is it a long running process? Why would locking thw file, or working in memory of tmp not work? Why is screen not an option? |
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M137 lemmy.today ![]() M137@lemmy.today Joined: 2026-04-17 Banned |
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CallMeAl (like Alan) piefed.zip ![]() CallMeAl@piefed.zip Joined: 2025-12-14 |
I essentially want tmux, without the hassle of needing a tmux server running in the background. I want the convenience of nohup, with the ability to attach to the nohup file of a running process and recover the running session.
What do you mean? What hassle?? |
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Creat discuss.tchncs.de Creat@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2023-06-16 |
Like many have already said, your probably just looking for a terminal multiplexer. Things like screen or zellij, which to my knowledge also don't require any kind of "server". You start a process and the tool provides means to reattach to the still running sessions. Any session gets a name, which is what you can use to reattach to a specific one, or you can just "attach" if there isb only one available. |
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pmtriste lemmy.world pmtriste@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-13 |
the use-case is to simply re-attach to a long-running process, I'm not too concerned about a session persisting across reboots, though that would clearly be amazing
Screen should work with no problem. You just start the screen session, detatch when you want, reattach later. No problem. |
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tetris11 feddit.uk ![]() tetris11@feddit.uk Joined: 2025-02-17 |
This is a very confusing question. What is the concern about this file, and what do you mean about "reattach"? Is it a long running process? Why would locking thw file, or working in memory of tmp not work? Why is screen not an option?
Imagine you want to launch 1000 long standing processes as oneshots. Nohup to a file would be a better usage than a screen multiplixier Why:
"But you can extract a snapshot of your 1000 tmux windows to file and grep that for status!" Yes, great, but it's not a neat solution, and tmux/screen snapshots might not capture everything due to window rendering artefacts. |
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tetris11 feddit.uk ![]() tetris11@feddit.uk Joined: 2025-02-17 |
https://github.com/nelhage/reptyr https://github.com/jerome-pouiller/reredirect https://github.com/trishume/telefork https://pasky.or.cz/dev/retty/
oh wow, an actual answer without the classic "this is an X / Y problem" snark! Re-redirect looks like what I want, thank you kind stranger! |
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tetris11 feddit.uk ![]() tetris11@feddit.uk Joined: 2025-02-17 |
I googled it for you and found this: https://serverfault.com/questions/24425/can-i-nohup-screen-an-already-started-process It doesn't create a file, but you don't need one. Read all the answers for options on reattaching. I haven't used it, so I can't vouch for any of them. (Personally I just use byobu and have it start with each shell, so I'm always running tmux.) I don't think there's any sys...
Cryopid seems promising from that, thanks! |
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just_another_person lemmy.world just_another_person@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-07 |
Imagine you want to launch 1000 long standing processes as oneshots. Nohup to a file would be a better usage than a screen multiplixier Why: Because you can do a for loop over the nohup files to grep status and collate stats for the 1000 processes. Because tmux/screen is easy to mentally manage but near impossible to navigate in list view or other "But you can extract a snapshot of your 1000 tm...
But what's in this file? If you're just shuffling data around, use a database. |
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tetris11 feddit.uk ![]() tetris11@feddit.uk Joined: 2025-02-17 |
But what's in this file? If you're just shuffling data around, use a database.
Log data, current status of a run, timestamp of an error, you name it. These are oneshots. Of course you could use a proper workflow system with data provenance and lineage tracking baked in, but during the dev cycle of something new you usually want to play around and gather metrics first without worrying first about the architecture. Please don't X/Y me. |
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matcha_addict lemy.lol matcha_addict@lemy.lol Joined: 2023-07-09 |
dtach is exactly what you're looking for. There are other similar tools. I personally found zmx to be the best, but it's more feature rich than dtach, and might be more than you want. Dtach is pretty minimal. But my only issue with it is it struggles with reloading a terminal session for a TUI that needs non trivial redrawing. |
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tetris11 feddit.uk ![]() tetris11@feddit.uk Joined: 2025-02-17 |
dtach is exactly what you're looking for. There are other similar tools. I personally found zmx to be the best, but it's more feature rich than dtach, and might be more than you want. Dtach is pretty minimal. But my only issue with it is it struggles with reloading a terminal session for a TUI that needs non trivial redrawing.
Yeah! It got mentioned earlier, and I've started playing with it -- it's not perfect like you say, but it is good enough for what I need |
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