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Ukraine learns to fight without Starlink as Musk plays politics with satellites
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Clutter sh.itjust.works Clutter@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-04-28
#52 · Quote Reply

MARK plays russian politics with PUTIN, and with turmp.

My man, you gotta explain that one?

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Taldan lemmy.world Taldan@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-12-31
#53 · Quote Reply

Recent reporting indicated Musk unilaterally made the decision to limit Starlink in Ukraine

Starlink should be nationalized. It's too much power for a private citizen who has shown a propensity for abuse

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Taldan lemmy.world Taldan@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-12-31
#54 · Quote Reply

his (former stepsister)mother/father moved to canada, because they were mad apartheid was ending in South africa.

Even Elon says his dad is a piece of shit. Whole family is rotten

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Radical_Socialist_t00t lemmy.ca Radical_Socialist_t00t@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2026-06-29
#55 · Quote Reply

not me. -- An American

Trump and his Republicans did.

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Radical_Socialist_t00t lemmy.ca Radical_Socialist_t00t@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2026-06-29
#56 · Quote Reply

My man, you gotta explain that one?

Probably refers to zuckerberg

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bstix feddit.dk bstix@feddit.dk
Joined: 2023-06-09
#57 · Quote Reply

30% does not make a country.

Well apparently they fucking do and that's the problem from the start. There's no use in denying it afterwards.

The minority 30% who are also idiots does indeed make the entire country. They chose the president, the house, the courts and allow every single law to be broken without consequences while randomly killing random people. That is USA as it is made by the 30% right fucking now.

In what way exactly do you mean that they do not make the country? What high road are you on where you can pretend that there is anything more to it than what it is right now?

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Frozentea725 feddit.uk Frozentea725@feddit.uk
Joined: 2025-03-31
#58 · Quote Reply

America (the government) is siding with Russia. Americans are not.

It's all the same to us. Why are you not in the streets. America's reputation will be tarnished for a generation. Why would anyone trust you when your just 4 years away from this shitshow

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Avicenna programming.dev Avicenna@programming.dev
Joined: 2025-11-07
#59 · Quote Reply

why is it odd? Putin is Trump's handler.

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Siegfried lemmy.world Siegfried@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#60 · Quote Reply

If I've learned anything, it's how incredibly adaptable Ukrainians are.

"To a surrounded enemy you must leave a way of escape. Show him there is a road to safety, and so create in his mind the idea that there is an alternative to death."

The whole russian propaganda aparat is against this... fear works for their people, and it's probably the only tactic they know.

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Tattorack lemmy.world Tattorack@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-10-28
#61 · Quote Reply

"To a surrounded enemy you must leave a way of escape. Show him there is a road to safety, and so create in his mind the idea that there is an alternative to death." The whole russian propaganda aparat is against this... fear works for their people, and it's probably the only tactic they know.

"When you are weak, appear strong. When you are strong, appear weak."

That's one Russia seems to know. Or act upon simply out of ego.

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PlaidBaron lemmy.world PlaidBaron@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-30
#62 · Quote Reply

not me. -- An American

Nobody cares if you as an individual didnt vote for this. The bottom line is your country is rotten and from the outside it seems as if nobody is doing anything to stop the rot.

Maybe it isnt true, but this is what the world sees. A country rotting from the inside out and a people too meek to stop it from happening.

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GreenKnight23 lemmy.world GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-09-21
#63 · Quote Reply

Nobody cares if you as an individual didnt vote for this. The bottom line is your country is rotten and from the outside it seems as if nobody is doing anything to stop the rot. Maybe it isnt true, but this is what the world sees. A country rotting from the inside out and a people too meek to stop it from happening.

if that's the case then literally every single person on this planet is a huge piece of shit.

show me a government and I will show you corruption manifest.

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PlaidBaron lemmy.world PlaidBaron@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-30
#64 · (edited) Quote Reply

if that's the case then literally every single person on this planet is a huge piece of shit. show me a government and I will show you corruption manifest.

I didnt say the individual was bad. Not once. I said we still have to hold the country accountable. We dont have the luxury of evaluating every American individually.

Im sure many people in Nazi Germany also didnt want what was happening. But that changes nothing about the country at the time.

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AlteredEgo lemmy.ml AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-01-26
#65 · Quote Reply

Starshield is a separate network with additional capabilities for military use. That is what Ukraine should use for drone strikes.

Starlink is a civilian global internet service. Should a civilian network be used for war operations?

Musk is a malignant narcissist, but for once he was making sense.

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weps lemmy.world weps@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-06-22
#66 · Quote Reply

Starshield is a separate network with additional capabilities for military use. That is what Ukraine should use for drone strikes. Starlink is a civilian global internet service. Should a civilian network be used for war operations? Musk is a malignant narcissist, but for once he was making sense.

when Russia attacked the satellite network Ukraine was using Musk sold them Starlink because Starshield didn't exist.

It kind of wasn't OK for them to use civil tech for war and for musk to turn it on or off when he wanted so the Pentagon put the hardware under their contract.

I'm not sure where the current problems come from. It's still being turned off and on but now both Musk and the US government don't admit who turns it off so I'm guessing it's Israel asking the US to disrupt Europe.

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freddydunningkruger lemmy.world freddydunningkruger@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-07-01
#67 · Quote Reply

Recent reporting indicated Musk unilaterally made the decision to limit Starlink in Ukraine Starlink should be nationalized. It's too much power for a private citizen who has shown a propensity for abuse

Starlink can easily be disrupted by a simple missile attack triggering a Kessler syndrome reaction. LEO satellites were a stupid idea.

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stylusmobilus aussie.zone stylusmobilus@aussie.zone
Joined: 2025-09-20
#68 · Quote Reply

30% does not make a country.

When the vote turnout gets no better than 65%, it’s pretty fuckin close

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bier lemmy.blahaj.zone bier@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2023-06-19
#69 · Quote Reply

Starlink can easily be disrupted by a simple missile attack triggering a Kessler syndrome reaction. LEO satellites were a stupid idea.

If so simple why not happened?

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timbuck2themoon sh.itjust.works timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-13
#70 · Quote Reply

By the logic of the regime he supports, that US citizenship should be revoked, and he should be deported, because he illegally immigrated to the US. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/oct/26/elon-musk-illegal-immigration https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-illegal-immigrant-abused-162201531.html https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2024/10/26/elon-musk-powerful-critic-of-ille...

Deported to some country he's never been to nor a citizen of by the standards of this admin.

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NewSocialWhoDis lemmy.zip NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-10-05
#71 · Quote Reply

Starshield is a separate network with additional capabilities for military use. That is what Ukraine should use for drone strikes. Starlink is a civilian global internet service. Should a civilian network be used for war operations? Musk is a malignant narcissist, but for once he was making sense.

From what I read, Starshield was what got shut down this time. In 2022, Starlink was what got shut down.

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NewSocialWhoDis lemmy.zip NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-10-05
#72 · (edited) Quote Reply

If so simple why not happened?

Because humanity loses access to LEO for at least a generation if that happens.

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GreenKnight23 lemmy.world GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-09-21
#73 · Quote Reply

I didnt say the individual was bad. Not once. I said we still have to hold the country accountable. We dont have the luxury of evaluating every American individually. Im sure many people in Nazi Germany also didnt want what was happening. But that changes nothing about the country at the time.

holy logical fallacy batman.

you're either trolling me or unable to follow a logical line of reasoning that doesn't contradict itself.

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NewSocialWhoDis lemmy.zip NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-10-05
#74 · Quote Reply

Starlink can easily be disrupted by a simple missile attack triggering a Kessler syndrome reaction. LEO satellites were a stupid idea.

I think we've shown through repeatable testing that capitalists don't think past longer terms than the next shareholder report.

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bier lemmy.blahaj.zone bier@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2023-06-19
#75 · Quote Reply

Because humanity loses access to LEO for at least a generation if that happens.

I know what Kessler syndrome is. Im saying that it's not that easy to get started especially for Russia. The us demonstrated it's capability in this respect with the DART "mission" which in my opinion was more of a military use case and something that absolutely shouldn't be funded by NASA.
One would think that if it where that easy for Russia to get any advantage in this war they would have done it by now no matter the reprocussions.

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Professorozone lemmy.world Professorozone@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-14
#76 · Quote Reply

why is it odd? Putin is Trump's handler.

It's worse than odd. It's angering.

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NewSocialWhoDis lemmy.zip NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-10-05
#77 · Quote Reply

We will see at the midterms.

I mean, I plan to vote exclusively for Democrats, but I don't think it will change much. Even if Democrats sweep, and are acting in good faith, I agree with that recent NYTimes OpEd that the Legislative Branch has been effectively kneecapped by the Executive ignoring the law, subsuming power, and being protected by the Supreme Court. And then there is actually a possibility that 2028 voters will hold the Democratic Congress responsible for the shitshow that will continue.

The system is beyond fixing.

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starik lemmy.today starik@lemmy.today
Joined: 2026-06-19
#78 · Quote Reply

I mean, I plan to vote exclusively for Democrats, but I don't think it will change much. Even if Democrats sweep, and are acting in good faith, I agree with that recent NYTimes OpEd that the Legislative Branch has been effectively kneecapped by the Executive ignoring the law, subsuming power, and being protected by the Supreme Court. And then there is actually a possibility that 2028 voters wil...

2028 voters will hold the Democratic Congress responsible for the shitshow

Low info voters always blame the president for everything. That’s how we got Trump’s second term.

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NewSocialWhoDis lemmy.zip NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-10-05
#79 · (edited) Quote Reply

I know what Kessler syndrome is. Im saying that it's not that easy to get started especially for Russia. The us demonstrated it's capability in this respect with the DART "mission" which in my opinion was more of a military use case and something that absolutely shouldn't be funded by NASA. One would think that if it where that easy for Russia to get any advantage in this war they would have do...

Deflecting a large, irregular, rotating mass in deep space is a pretty different mission from launching a missile at LEO targets or launching an explosive vehicle from a satellite currently in orbit. The people I know that worked DART are now working other civil space missions like Dragonfly, the mission to Titan.

I guess they both involve orbital dynamics to calculate the rendezvous, but they're very different orbital regimes.

Anyway, I disagree that it was military adjacent or more appropriate to be done via military funding. It doesn't have direct military application in the near future. Even proposals I've seen for stuff like GPS on the moon is being funded on the civilian side.

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UnderpantsWeevil lemmy.world UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-14
#80 · Quote Reply

As soon as they start making material progress, Elon yanks the rug on them.

You really gotta wonder who is running this shit show.

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Gammelfisch lemmy.world Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-09-05
#81 · Quote Reply

IRIS 2 should have launched over 10 years ago. I'm certain there are people, in the various EU member intelligence agencies, that knew of Leo Hitler's intentions and strategy. His connections with Vlad should have set off the damn alarm bells.

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AlteredEgo lemmy.ml AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-01-26
#82 · Quote Reply

when Russia attacked the satellite network Ukraine was using Musk sold them Starlink because Starshield didn't exist. It kind of wasn't OK for them to use civil tech for war and for musk to turn it on or off when he wanted so the Pentagon put the hardware under their contract. I'm not sure where the current problems come from. It's still being turned off and on but now both Musk and the US gove...

The confusion is deliberate. From the media and zelenksy too

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Eheran lemmy.world Eheran@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-26
#83 · Quote Reply

Europe have been riding the coat tails of America with space infrastructure. Are only now looking to replace GPS. ESA will hopefully learn some lessons from starlink and make them less reflective and cause less environmental damage when they fall back down.

Only now looking to replace GPS? Mate, Galileo, the European GNSS, has been operational for many years (10?) with the first launch 2 decades ago.

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PlaidBaron lemmy.world PlaidBaron@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-30
#84 · Quote Reply

holy logical fallacy batman. you're either trolling me or unable to follow a logical line of reasoning that doesn't contradict itself.

Oh? Which fallacy is that? I see you are fond of using the ad hominem one.

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GreenKnight23 lemmy.world GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-09-21
#85 · Quote Reply

Oh? Which fallacy is that? I see you are fond of using the ad hominem one.
  • bad reason
  • affirming the consequent
  • syllogistic fallacy
  • argumentum ad populum

I've wasted enough time on you.

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PlaidBaron lemmy.world PlaidBaron@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-30
#86 · (edited) Quote Reply

bad reason affirming the consequent syllogistic fallacy argumentum ad populum I've wasted enough time on you.

Then why are you even responding? If you dont want to waste time on me just disengage. Its not hard.

Or perhaps you feel a need to engage and are unable to stop yourself despite the fact you know it wont amount to anything but lost time? If so, you should be working on exercising your self restraint.

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