Source: https://raddle.me/f/Anarchy/217949/the-anark-led-badjacketing-campaign-has-started-because-i

It's a good thing anarchists aren't really on Twitter.

Crying honypot while using Twitter and YT is quite ironic

After reading the comment thread linked in the source, damn. Harassing someone with alts and a fake ai-slop osint report just because they disapprove of the concept of prisons is... wild.

The morbid curiosity might get the better of me and I might go look what other wild takes this so-called "anark" has. Too bad that Shitter sucks to browse without an account.

ziq is lying, because Anark has¹ always been antiprisons.

I am also having trouble recalling why I don't go to raddle. But I remember a comrade mentioning me not to go. The logo of the software does have a swastika dogwhistle.

I am leaning on ziq BPR. Anark’s evidence.

CX ¹ updated w/Anark’s own antiprison essays in the library.
something ziq fanatics seem to omit.

If the essay by zig which apparently started this feud is wrong on such a fundamental level and Anark is in fact against prisons (I don't know his takes), wouldn't the best course of action be to focus on that instead of accusing him of running a honeypot (while himself using twitter and youtube)?

The dogwhistle seems pretty far fetched tbh. They also have this nice picture on the projects community page:

ziq called that "evidence" AI generated copjacketing slop, and given that the site has just that one report, it doesn't seem too credible. The list of factual errors in that report written out by ziq in the comments linked in the OP here is also quite lengthy.

I've read all of this and still don't understand who's mad at who for what.

It doesn't seem to have much to do with anarchist theory, though.

I was warming up to anark but this behavior made me lose some goodwill. I don't know what if they're behind this expose but given how flimsy it is, they should have not spread it around without doing due diligence.

I surmise Anark meant to do both when citing David Ruminski article: show how ziq acts in bad faith, fundamentally deceives, and bad jackets all the time. By pointing out raddle is a “honeypot” he’s ensuring his audience and us be aware how counter-anarchist ziq is. He did both things asserting the inclusion of his essay in the library maybe a compromise in the administration. Basically, mirror theanarchistlibrary asap.

The gay icon is quite different than Achillean or LGBTQIA+ pride flag. Pretty sure ziq means “gay” as “lame” here.

good thing website archives exist. we can ascertain what is true and what are libels.

The jacketing, or prisons?

It's just quoting Anark's own words: https://www.reddit.com/r/Postleftanarchism/comments/1viq2uy/yes_youtube_personality_anark_wants_to_build/

The Postmill developer Emma is a trans woman you ridiculous person.

Anark is an idiot who supports what would basically be anarcho-cops, anarcho-bureaucrats, and anarcho-cia. So not surprised he'd support building prisons. Bro's basically just another Vaush. Some influencer larping an anarchist. Screenshot pulled from Constructing the Revolution by Anark. It is on the Anarchist Library.

This is just what the CNT-FAI did with POWs during the Spanish Civil War. Whether that is a prison, I would say, is debatable.

The CNT-FAI having prisoners of war while under attack by fascist forces isn't the same as making plans to build prisons in your ideal society.

And they are still prisons, they don't become not-prisons when anarchists build them.

Thats not the argument I was making. But whatever, it still seems like you are admitting there is nuance to this even if Anark is wrong. Which was at the end of the day, all I was trying to say

Then where’s the “this powered by 🏳️‍⚧️ magic” icon???
Nothing else addresses ziq’s blatant authoritarian usage of raddle. 🏳️‍⚧️ software or not, ziq usage is authoritarian.

Did you even bother to look up the context of this excerpt?

cc @comrade_spood@quokk.au @deme@sopuli.xyz

What is wrong with you?

Is there a reason for improper contextualized excerption? Anark is exposing the need for Intelligence DURING A REVOLUTION, not after.
Are you seriously opposing the idea of antiauthoritarian action is to be ignorant of what authoritarians are doing‽

Yeah I'm not debating the utility of prisons with an anark fan. It's a direct quote and you can agree with Anark's opinion or not, but disagreeing with it is not grounds to copjacket people using AI slop.

Nowhere have I stated I am a fan of anyone here. I am exposing contexts you and comrade_spood@quokk.au seem to be omitting off your excerpts. I quoted the whole essays, with contexts provided.

disagreeing with it is not grounds to copjacket people using AI slop.

what are you talking about, David's article‽

"David" is an AI slop bot that generated nonsense that has been shown to be nonsense, stop linking to it and spreading the copjacket. There's no lower form of life than a copjacketer.

The context doesn't magically change prisons into not-prisons.

While we do use these tools in research, nothing here is published without human editorial oversight and source verification; be aware full OSINT reports will nevertheless contain generated material. News articles, and editorials published by Crawlspace Analysis are written by humans , with human editors , and sources are verified to the best of the team’s ability..

Let's assume you're right, David’s article is slop. Ziq’s authoritarianism is blatantly reviewable in the Internet Archive. That includes his copjacketing ban messages.

The context doesn’t magically change prisons into not-prisons.

How do you then reform wrong doers?

Yeah a prison with a focus on rehabilitation is still a prison. Nordic prisons sure are nicer than american ones for example, but they're still prisons and to not call them that is just silly. In the video the only difference to a nordic prison is that it's managed by a smaller scale community.

prison with a focus on rehabilitation is still a prison

anark: all laws and enumerated measures for reparations and rehabilitation not expressed in the constitution would be outlined. […] Justice: repairing the wrongs that have been done and preventing further ones from being committed

The distinction anark argues is that there are outliers that wish injustice that do not desire to reparate & rehabilitate, what would be the corrective action to take? Compost, servitute, banishment?

Reparations centers are not prisons. Contemporary correctional facilities are slave plantations. So how do we move from private prisons to correcting behavior?

Because power begets power. Once you have a secret police installed, whoever controls the police has the power over everything else, therefore no longer anarchy.

Anark's comment sound like liberalism.

Being an admin of a website no one visits isn't authoritarianism. Stop using phrases incorrectly, it dilutes their meaning.

so, your antiauthoritarian action is to deempower revolutionaries during a revolution…
the paradox of power means nothing to you…

I dunno bout this chief. you sure you're anarchist?

How so?

Sure, masturbation isn't authoritarianism. But ziq keeps shilling his website, so, there’s more to this than humiliation kinks. What is banishment and narrative control called again?

Because pre-approving a secret police is not anarchist, distrusting everyone in the very society you're trying to build, it's not anarchy, cementing power around policing is not anarchy. Plus, the most important point is this: No revolution is happening right now, so the question is moot.

Just be honest with yourself and admit you love secret police and become a tankie.

"laws", "reparations", "constitutions", "justice".

People calling themselves anarchists have always been the hipster thing to do, the "I'm totally radical" without any self critique.

This is how anarchy looks like in regards to prisons, specially relevant because they do mention Anark:

https://anarchistnews.org/content/you-cant-build-anarchy-building-prisons-against-carceral-imagination

You have to touch grass, the world is bigger than the internet. Talk to your neighbors, make friends. Soon you'll realize a website is no important, what's important are the connections we make in the real world.

nowhere in his essay is he promoting a “secret police.” Intelligence is acquisition of enemy knowledge. For revolutions, that is anti-authoritarian action.

No revolution is happening right now, so the question is moot.

Seems you're missing a lot of European news.

Just be honest with yourself and admit you love secret police and become a tankie.

🪞

“laws”, “reparations”, “constitutions”, “justice”.

which have exact meanings in anarchist theory, where Anark went out of his way to distinguish. Do you assume anarchist society don't have rules, baseline rules everyone is beholden to, reparative work for wrong doings, and a justice process?

https://anarchistnews.org/content/you-cant-build-anarchy-building-prisons-against-carceral-imagination

This is the same essay Anark is referencing🤦‍♀️. Why not cite Bakunin, heck even Kropotkin‽ Why rereference the essay we have already read is being questioned for both legitimacy and reparative & rehabilitative justice?

I do plenty of bloc praxis. Why are you demanding I do more when you can't even define basic authoritarian praxis?

I know you're quizing me to make yourself feel better, nerd. I didn't say make praxis, i said make friends, talk to people in your community, touch grass.

nerd

make friends, talk to people in your community

called solidarity

touch grass

called ecobombing, planting, growing food,

Anything more insults to add exclusionary campist?

Because anarchy is not the question of reparative and rehabilitative justice, that's cop talk. Justice is a liberal proposition, if you want to do anarchy, you must think bigger not liberal+.

If you want to talk justice, constitution, law, etc you can join your local social democracy party. Just stop calling yourself anarchist, stop diluting words.

Kill the cop in your head.

Ok, I see my mistake: You can't read, and you don't comprehend “without hierarchy.”

Later demagogue🖕

Already have, politburo.

Then why support secret police and prisons? Why defend someone that does?

"it's not a forest, it's a stationary non-animal life."

The only person that mentioned a secret polite was you. None of the anarchists I cited in this entire 🧵 have ever promoted frumentarii.

Exposure ≢ endorsement. Unless you think journalists are politicians.

“The forest was shrinking but the trees kept voting for the axe, for the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood he was one of them.” —Turkish Proverbs

You did defend Anark's secret police secret antirevolutionary intelligence gathering on the top comment.

You do realize that wanting anarchy but supporting secret police and prisons makes you the tree voting for the axe, right?