It is not viable to expect 80s/90s level code optimisation in 10's/20's software.

Yes you could in theory, but with deadlines and security requirements you realistically cannot!

Zed does it i think, JetBrain's IDEs do it too, Sublime text too and maybe Emacs?

Imo TS is basically the diarrhea that is javascript, pushed together and polished. It looks nice, works great but you are, in the end of the day, still working with a pile of diarrhoea

Where? On the Chrome/Brave subreddit? :p

There's niche WebKit browsers too, like Epiphany. Also Ladybird in development, but that went full AI slop AFAIK.

Yeah on one hand the field of evolutionary algorithms is fascinating and I can see potential. But on the other hand it's being run into the ground by people forcing it into everything. It's also not human-readable so people might think they know what they're getting but really don't because of the black box nature of it.

Do they collect data though? This is important. If not I might give it a shot.

And also when you don't use AI, can you disable all AI UI features.

Give micro a shot

I find it so weird that vi and/or vim is included (at least what I have seen so far) everywhere but not nano.
vi is so not intuitive

What makes it better/different?

from this thread, its definitely available but due to concerns about Arch's rolling updates potentially bricking something, they don't make it visible in the GUI front and center.

...... whoops I misread. here's something that actually applies updates, probably: https://github.com/LoonixTools/cachy-auto-update

Just try it

Firefox is good, Mozilla is bad

I was on board with the first guy, but this is going too far. We should compromise between the 2- and 4-spaces camp, and we settle on 3 spaces.

Talk to any normie that knows what a browser is, and you'll discover that many people think firefox is bad (and then some of them will also proceed to glaze brave because they never saw what uBlock origin can do...)

I have massive respect for the guy. He did so much for the open source community. But for some reason everything he says is interpreted as inarguable truth by most tech guys.

For example his opinions on AI are pure trash and bootlickery. Which is fine anyone can think anything. We just have to think for ourselves a little.

I am anti commercial capitalistic LLMs which, coincidentally is ALL of them.
"B-But Axo the open weigh—!" They are NOT open, it's the equivalent of giving you the executable of M$ Edge or a Windows ISO and calling it open, fuck this shit

Sometimes we have to use them, but Java and C# sucks hard as languages.

Yeah if DBs were only for dynamic data, we would still use files, instead they solve many other problems and that's why we use them

Zed is actually a pretty good editor IMO. Miles ahead of Code at least

Zed is totally open source, and the AI "features" are optional. When you set it up - at least when I did - it's one checkbox to disable. I don't remember about the telemetry you will have to have a look, I'm usually ok with that myself.

I came from VSCode and haven't found anything I miss. I especially don't miss the poor performance of VSCode, Zed is extremely lightweight!

Nominal typing was a premature optimization. Product types should be structural and row polymorphic. And if they had been, dynamically typed languages nevdr would've needed to exist and wouldn't have waited so long to smuggle types back onto their data structures. That said, i'm kinda glad shell scripting languages exist.

PHP sucks and every attempt at defending it is pathetic.

I get warm and fuzzy feelings that people here are not even talking about it. Perhaps I should follow that trend.

The React devs fucked up by not wrapping state in trackable containers, and we're all paying the price with laggy apps.

You know what, I’ve been a Firefox user since the days of beta Phoenix. I’ve expressed your view for years now - Firefox was great, but held back by a commercial org that want led fancy SF offices, fancy SF compensation etc.

But I tried out Helium a little while ago and in truth, I’m not sure Firefox is all that good these days. Helium is basically ungoogled-chromium + extension support + super lean UI.

The upside is that you no longer have to contend with sites that have given up on Firefox testing. The downside is manifest v3. But all in all, I find it a better browser. Firefox is so busy telling its story, and finding revenue, that it just seems to have left behind product market fit.

I thought zed was just a slop focused Code fork like Cursor?

Nope. It’s written from scratch in rust. Not a fork at all.

That's the popular opinion tbh. Even Java devs admit Java kinda sucks.

I agree that everyone needs to think for themselves, absolutely.

However, I struggle with this and it's kind of what I'm getting at:

his opinions on AI are pure trash and bootlickery

Firstly, you'll be hard pressed to find someone who hate's AI more than me. It literally keeps me awake at night. I hate the environmental impact. I hate the people it's enriching. I hate the work it's stealing. I don't often use the word "hate" but it really does apply here.

That said, I always try to defer to the opinions of people with more experience than me, and as regards kernel maintenance and Linus, that's certainly true.

You've probably heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect. I know a bit about code, a bit about FOSS, a bit about linux, AI, and communities. So it's easy to underestimate the yawning chasm of experience and knowledge between myself and Linus.

That doesn't mean we have to blindly accept the opinions of others (I honestly haven't accepted Linus' opinion myself), but I'm aware of the profound discrepancy between my opinion and his and it concerns me.

All that aside, is it possible to acknowledge that something is the correct course of action even if it's not the ideal? I haven't been following the Linus / AI thing, but as I understand it a project like that kinda has to allow AI bug reports because threat actors will certainly be using AI to find exploitable bugs.

Unrelated, but I absolutely adore your pfp.

I don't see why an IDE can't convert e.g. 4 width spaces to 50% visual width for those that prefer 2 spaces. That way the code doesn't need changing, and everyone still enjoys their own personal width preferences

I actually really like C#, it's my favourite. But don't know how much of that is Stockholm syndrome at this point haha. But whenever I'm writing in other languages i always end up missing something i do regularly in c#, especially from it's latest versions (which i also deeply miss when forced to work on legacy software that is still using shit like version 4 or 5 of C# (ASP.NET 4.8 / .NET standard) whereas I feel like C# really got good and fun to use from C# 8 onwards (I think this was .NET Core 3.0 or .NET 5 - we're on C#14 now with .NET 10, with 15 on the horizon).

Why not both? Both is good

JavaScript is a chaos gremlin but it's MY chaos gremlin and I wouldn't change it for the world

I use 8-wide tabs. I also keep lines under 80 characters

No, I don't use Java. How did you know?

I miss C# support, but I also think vscode's solution for that was shit too

Transphobia is now what antisemitism was during the Holocaust.

This framing of trans rights being pulverized as an edge-case moral purity signaling is low-key genocide enabler discourse.

It is only a matter to be careful to set boundaries to the centrism so that it doesn't bleed over to the nazi side.

That being said, weaponized purity in online politics, and online software politics specifically might be a problem, sometimes. Minimal gain and huge inconvenience to the resistance, but I won't go into it right now.

https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/10/14/linux-kernel-goes-full-ai-slop-code-hides-chatbot-commits/

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-Foundation-25p-AI-Slop

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=14c897740388216acd59477a382de327d5e27ba4

Arbitrary unrealistic deadlines are 99% the reason code optimization is dead

I am with you all the way. For a high level programming language it’s incredible how close to C it is at times AND how many footguns the entire language has.
And you always hear the “a poor craftsman blames his tools” analogy when someone says PHP bad. But PHP is a hammer that’ll blow your arm clean off when you hit a nail at a slightly off angle.
There is no defending it, and it should have been replaced with better languages several times over.

Ok I need to stop myself now I can rant about this language for hours

Learned multiple languages to contribute to different projects and keep up with the times, but JS remains my favorite, something about it just clicks with how I think. Specifically JS, not TS or another dialect, even if I find them helpful.

With the greatest respect, responding to this comment would be to engage in a discussion of whether Linus is right in this particular instance. I'm not willing to do that because I'm sure that's a conversation that's been had a billion times.

I was / am happy to talk about how we injest the opinions of experts in a more general way.

I probably disagree with 90% of Linus torvald's beliefs and ideologies. Do I promote him as a person? No. Do I promote Linux as a great project and operating system? Hell yes. Same goes with Stallman or probably 90% of other people. Because that'show we are. Most of us share nothing in common and oppose eachother's beliefs but we can still work together as professionals.

You can ask the person, not the software project. The project is just a project. We can tear eachotger to pieces as individuals and then sit at a table trying to solve problems as professionals.

PHP is the best web language, not because it's a good language, but because the other are worst

Not a slop fork, they wrote their own rust graphics compositor, 10/10 will shill until they go shit heel

Like, somebody needs to invent that?

It’s opt-out telemetry sadly. I’ve been tempted to make a PR to make it op-in

Transphobia is unprofessional.

So is any other kind of bigotry.