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PlasticExistence
lemmy.world
PlasticExistence@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-13 |
You dont need everyone to mount a resistance. Why does it have to be all or nothing? And who said you had to organize peace with fascists?
You need enough, and we don’t even have that. Come live here for a while and then tell me how easy it is. |
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zoloftt
lemmy.world
zoloftt@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-06-04 |
And to be clear, Trump did do nothing.
You dropped this (-_-)--/s |
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PlaidBaron
lemmy.world
PlaidBaron@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-30 |
You need enough, and we don’t even have that. Come live here for a while and then tell me how easy it is.
I have lived there. Ive been involved in community action during the first administration. If you believe its impossible, youve already lost. |
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jontree255
lemmy.world
jontree255@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-10 |
Literally every time this is brought up one of the top answers is 'its not a good time to act'. When will it be a good time to act?
When he tries to deny or overturn the results of elections from 50 separate states (again) because he’s a whiny crybaby bitch and most Americans are sick of his shit? Did you not read the first part of my comment when I said the pain threshold isn’t high enough? Did you forget my other comment (that you bookmarked) where I said people ARE acting every day to resist ICE? |
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PlaidBaron
lemmy.world
PlaidBaron@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-30 |
When he tries to deny or overturn the results of elections from 50 separate states (again) because he’s a whiny crybaby bitch and most Americans are sick of his shit? Did you not read the first part of my comment when I said the pain threshold isn’t high enough? Did you forget my other comment (that you bookmarked) where I said people ARE acting every day to resist ICE?
Then you all need to reevaluate what is an acceptable pain threshold. |
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Arcanepotato
crazypeople.online
Arcanepotato@crazypeople.onlineJoined: 2025-05-24 |
I’ve often been surprised at how living in America is perceived by the world. I’ve met a lot of people from all over the world, and while some have actually spent enough time here to understand the good and the bad. The rest who have not seem to believe in the shiny veneer that we export in our movies and television. We are absolute wage slaves here. We are one missed paycheck from homelessness...
You are wage slaves who have a higher standard of living than the other wage slaves that are exploited in order to enable the availability of cheap consumer goods which keep the people docile. This is about the English (and written in 1882) but now also applies to the USA:
This is an expert from Lenin: Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism which I think should be read prior to Settlers if only to disarm the reader from defensiveness. Sakai didn't invent the idea of the bourgeoisie proletariat, he was building on the ideas of others. |
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Swemg
lemmy.world
Swemg@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-02 |
This criticism would hit so much harder if, say, the people of France would do something about the hard right, but, oh look, Marine Le Pen can run for president again? Sounds familiar.
It's not people that could decide that unfortunately |
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Arcanepotato
crazypeople.online
Arcanepotato@crazypeople.onlineJoined: 2025-05-24 |
Please show this meme to the people of Minnesota, Rene Goode’s family, Alex Pretti’s family, that kid who lost his eye, and the people who are following ICE around daily to prevent them from kidnapping people. Doing a protest like the ones in France right now, two weeks before our midterms, would be very stupid and probably boost Trump and the GOP. Now, when they try to steal the election and n...
This meme isn't about them and it's incredible that this is your argument. |
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PlaidBaron
lemmy.world
PlaidBaron@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-30 |
That is not the choice we face. Disruptive protesting gets you killed in this country unless you’re “protesting” for fascism. I do think other countries risk less when they protest, yes.
Ah yes, the Arab spring was famous for being low risk. Nobody died or risked their lives at all. Jesus, this does not help the stereotype of Americans being ignorant as fuck about the world. |
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decolo
piefed.social
decolo@piefed.social Joined: 2026-06-29 |
Since when? Its been like that since Ive been around. Dont get me wrong, complaining about downvotes is pointless. I dont care if people agree with me or not. But people absolutely do that here. It isnt THAT different from Reddit that way.
I meant it's frowned upon, not that it doesn't happen |
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jontree255
lemmy.world
jontree255@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-10 |
Then you all need to reevaluate what is an acceptable pain threshold.
You and I don’t get to decide that for other individuals or the collective. |
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the_q
piefed.social
the_q@piefed.social Joined: 2026-08-04 |
You first. It’s real fucking easy to tell others to just go die because you’re frustrated.
It's even easier to only care about any of this when it starts effecting you. |
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Arcanepotato
crazypeople.online
Arcanepotato@crazypeople.onlineJoined: 2025-05-24 |
This criticism would hit so much harder if, say, the people of France would do something about the hard right, but, oh look, Marine Le Pen can run for president again? Sounds familiar.
What should they do about Le Pen? Protests the courts that overturned the ruling that restricted her from running for 5 years or simply not vote for her? |
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Catoblepas
lemmy.blahaj.zone
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2023-06-13 |
Ah yes, the Arab spring was famous for being low risk. Nobody died or risked their lives at all. Jesus, this does not help the stereotype of Americans being ignorant as fuck about the world.
I’m sorry but comparing protesting in Europe to protesting in the Arab spring is nothing but auto-fellation. |
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jontree255
lemmy.world
jontree255@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-10 |
Please show this meme to the people of Minnesota, Rene Goode’s family, Alex Pretti’s family, that kid who lost his eye, and the people who are following ICE around daily to prevent them from kidnapping people. This meme isn't about them and it's incredible that this is your argument.
This meme is about how Americans are lazy and aren’t doing anything or haven’t done anything to resist or outright overthrow their fascist government. So yeah I’d say those people are relevant. |
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Arcanepotato
crazypeople.online
Arcanepotato@crazypeople.onlineJoined: 2025-05-24 |
The difference is the US 100% will and won’t even apologize for it. Then the state oligarch run media will say they were “Terrorists”. Hell, the black lives matters protests in Oregon they spent weeks showing the “devastation” the protesters caused, it was like one square block and they had police dressing like protesters instigating the violence so they could disappear people.
Did you read the second part of my comment. |
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Arcanepotato
crazypeople.online
Arcanepotato@crazypeople.onlineJoined: 2025-05-24 |
This meme is about how Americans are lazy and aren’t doing anything or haven’t done anything to resist or outright overthrow their fascist government. So yeah I’d say those people are relevant.
Are those individuals the ones who are lazy and didn't do anything, or are you using them as a shield? |
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PlaidBaron
lemmy.world
PlaidBaron@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-30 |
I’m sorry but comparing protesting in Europe to protesting in the Arab spring is nothing but auto-fellation.
He said other countries. Not Europe. Dont be obtuse. If he meant Europe he should have said that or he has no consideration for how vast the world is or how dangerous it is for people elsewhere. Either way, its an ignorant statement. |
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PlaidBaron
lemmy.world
PlaidBaron@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-30 |
You and I don’t get to decide that for other individuals or the collective.
Agreed. But I can judge them for it. |
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Catoblepas
lemmy.blahaj.zone
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2023-06-13 |
He said other countries. Not Europe. Dont be obtuse. If he meant Europe he should have said that or he has no consideration for how vast the world is or how dangerous it is for people elsewhere. Either way, its an ignorant statement.
Must be convenient to lose all knowledge of what the entire thread is about to debate-lawyer. |
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jontree255
lemmy.world
jontree255@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-10 |
This criticism would hit so much harder if, say, the people of France would do something about the hard right, but, oh look, Marine Le Pen can run for president again? Sounds familiar.
Also, these protests are likely to contribute to her getting elected. |
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PlaidBaron
lemmy.world
PlaidBaron@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-30 |
Must be convenient to lose all knowledge of what the entire thread is about to debate-lawyer.
Youre being deliberately obtuse. I know it. You know it. |
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Hapankaali
lemmy.world
Hapankaali@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-09-17 |
Sure but your comment was a reply that was about the ALMOST 1800s. Also, I already commented a link about the No Kings protests earlier in this post.
So? People had to take shits in 1789, doesn't mean they can just stop going now even though that was a long time ago.
So which is it? Americans don't protest significantly because they don't have health care covered for protesting, or they do, and the No Kings protests are an example? It's obviously neither of these. Americans don't protest against the government much because a) things simply haven't gotten bad enough and b) Americans are indoctrinated into believing the US is the richest country in the world and simply don't know how far the US economy has fallen behind the most prosperous countries in the world. |
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Catoblepas
lemmy.blahaj.zone
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2023-06-13 |
Youre being deliberately obtuse. I know it. You know it.
Me when I pretend I can’t see the meme directly at the top of the page because someone said “other countries”: 🤡 |
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PlaidBaron
lemmy.world
PlaidBaron@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-30 |
I meant it's frowned upon, not that it doesn't happen
It was frowned upon on Reddit too. People are people. We arent special because we are on Lemmy. |
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jontree255
lemmy.world
jontree255@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-10 |
Are those individuals the ones who are lazy and didn't do anything, or are you using them as a shield?
I’m saying this meme ignores their sacrifices becuase it lumps all Americans into the fat lazy group when they are the clear exceptions. And again, people are still out there doing the work. I don’t use them as a shield. They’re motivation for me to do better. |
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rose56
lemmy.zip
roserose56@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-09-17 |
I down voted you specifically for complaining about downvotes. We don't do that here.
Did I complain tho? I just said they are already downvoting. |
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jontree255
lemmy.world
jontree255@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-10 |
Agreed. But I can judge them for it.
Believe me I do too. I’ve said for a while it’s going to take a lot of pain to snap the average American out of acceptance. Right now things are just uncomfortable for most. I don’t know what the threshold is but I suspect we’ll hit it before 2028. |
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rose56
lemmy.zip
roserose56@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-09-17 |
Also, these protests are likely to contribute to her getting elected.
https://www.euronews.com/2026/10/24/thousands-protest-against-far-right-national-rally-congress-in-france |
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rose56
lemmy.zip
roserose56@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-09-17 |
This criticism would hit so much harder if, say, the people of France would do something about the hard right, but, oh look, Marine Le Pen can run for president again? Sounds familiar.
https://www.euronews.com/2026/10/24/thousands-protest-against-far-right-national-rally-congress-in-france |
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SwingingTheLamp
piefed.zip
SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip Joined: 2025-12-27 |
What should they do about Le Pen? Protests the courts that overturned the ruling that restricted her from running for 5 years or simply not vote for her?
We're told to "do something" about our President constantly. Do that. |
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PlaidBaron
lemmy.world
PlaidBaron@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-30 |
Believe me I do too. I’ve said for a while it’s going to take a lot of pain to snap the average American out of acceptance. Right now things are just uncomfortable for most. I don’t know what the threshold is but I suspect we’ll hit it before 2028.
Fair enough. But I hope you can see why as outsiders thats a frustrating position. Because your internal shitshow is hurting us. Im Canadian and we are getting pretty tired of the econonic warfare and uncertainty. Hell you guys are actively trying to influence our politics, especially in Alberta. Trying to drive a wedge in our society. We do feel for you guys, believe it or not. But we're so tired of the bullshit. |
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decolo
piefed.social
decolo@piefed.social Joined: 2026-06-29 |
I'm so tired of this idea that these sparse, scheduled, legal events are considered protests.
which sparse ones are you referencing? It seems like you are wondering why CNBC isn't showing you all the local protests even in conservative towns? |
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Arcanepotato
crazypeople.online
Arcanepotato@crazypeople.onlineJoined: 2025-05-24 |
I’m saying this meme ignores their sacrifices becuase it lumps all Americans into the fat lazy group when they are the clear exceptions. And again, people are still out there doing the work. I don’t use them as a shield. They’re motivation for me to do better.
defensiveness is a trap |
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CIA_chatbot
lemmy.world
CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-19 |
Did you read the second part of my comment.
Yea, unless I miss interpreted you were saying yes France could crush protests, my point is that they most likely won’t, where in the US they will, and people know they will. see Kent State. |
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Arcanepotato
crazypeople.online
Arcanepotato@crazypeople.onlineJoined: 2025-05-24 |
We're told to "do something" about our President constantly. Do that.
Do what? She's not president? |
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the_q
piefed.social
the_q@piefed.social Joined: 2026-08-04 |
which sparse ones are you referencing? It seems like you are wondering why CNBC isn't showing you all the local protests even in conservative towns?
I genuinely do not understand this level of delusion... Look, these protests are ineffective. Period. They're nothing more than photo ops for social media. I don't care if they're happening everyday and the news isn't reporting, they are not doing anything to alleviate any of the issues this country is facing. |
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jontree255
lemmy.world
jontree255@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-10 |
https://www.euronews.com/2026/10/24/thousands-protest-against-far-right-national-rally-congress-in-france
Good. Let’s hope that France doesn’t fall for her shit like US did with Trump. Societal unrest usuall does not bode well for the incumbent party. |
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Arcanepotato
crazypeople.online
Arcanepotato@crazypeople.onlineJoined: 2025-05-24 |
Yea, unless I miss interpreted you were saying yes France could crush protests, my point is that they most likely won’t, where in the US they will, and people know they will. see Kent State.
My comment was that protests are not the only option and if you look at why the protests in the other countries are effective, it might give you a little hint about non protest actions that would be useful. |
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jontree255
lemmy.world
jontree255@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-10 |
Fair enough. But I hope you can see why as outsiders thats a frustrating position. Because your internal shitshow is hurting us. Im Canadian and we are getting pretty tired of the econonic warfare and uncertainty. Hell you guys are actively trying to influence our politics, especially in Alberta. Trying to drive a wedge in our society. We do feel for you guys, believe it or not. But we're so ti...
I’m at a point where I cheer on any country inflicting pain on the US. We deserve it and maybe it’ll force change. |
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CIA_chatbot
lemmy.world
CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-19 |
My comment was that protests are not the only option and if you look at why the protests in the other countries are effective, it might give you a little hint about non protest actions that would be useful.
Yea so back to blowing shit up |
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SwingingTheLamp
piefed.zip
SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip Joined: 2025-12-27 |
Do what? She's not president?
"Something." Whatever it is we're supposed to do, do it, so she doesn't get elected. |
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SwingingTheLamp
piefed.zip
SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip Joined: 2025-12-27 |
It's not people that could decide that unfortunately
Sounds familiar. |
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SwingingTheLamp
piefed.zip
SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip Joined: 2025-12-27 |
https://www.euronews.com/2026/10/24/thousands-protest-against-far-right-national-rally-congress-in-france
Oh, prance around with some signs on a Saturday when they're off work. So effective! /s |
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PlasticExistence
lemmy.world
PlasticExistence@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-13 |
It's even easier to only care about any of this when it starts effecting you.
That’s a nice assumption you’ve got there, but you know fuck all about what I’ve been doing for the last ten years. Enjoy your distance from the problem and the arrogance of assuming you’d do better. |
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Fishy
lemmy.world
Fishy@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-09 |
I’m sorry but comparing protesting in Europe to protesting in the Arab spring is nothing but auto-fellation.
I said other countries above, but obviously there are different levels. Western Europe isn’t at that stage yet (but you could argue the current situation in Europe doesn’t warrant such extreme protests yet and they would if it was warranted). |
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PlasticExistence
lemmy.world
PlasticExistence@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-13 |
Ah yes, the Arab spring was famous for being low risk. Nobody died or risked their lives at all. Jesus, this does not help the stereotype of Americans being ignorant as fuck about the world.
That’s a strawman argument. The Arabs were united enough to succeed. Jesus, this does not help the stereotype of the angry internet commenter upon whom nuance and understanding are lost. |
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PlasticExistence
lemmy.world
PlasticExistence@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-13 |
I have lived there. Ive been involved in community action during the first administration. If you believe its impossible, youve already lost.
I never said impossible. I was also involved in a lot of community action during Trump’s first admin. See how far that got us? |
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the_q
piefed.social
the_q@piefed.social Joined: 2026-08-04 |
That’s a nice assumption you’ve got there, but you know fuck all about what I’ve been doing for the last ten years. Enjoy your distance from the problem and the arrogance of assuming you’d do better.
How sad to be putting in effort and have nothing to show for it beyond a chip on your shoulder. Holding a sign at your legally allowed "protest" for 10 years must be exhausting! |
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Arcanepotato
crazypeople.online
Arcanepotato@crazypeople.onlineJoined: 2025-05-24 |
"Something." Whatever it is we're supposed to do, do it, so she doesn't get elected.
Okay, so now I see the issue. Americans have no idea how political systems in other countries work. If they did, I don't think they would be so fanatical about defending their own. |
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