I prefer the fruity flavors of the top vs the bitter flavors of the bottom.

Vaping and coffee are both less likely to kill you than their alternatives

Seems like it's not about traditional vs modern

It is crucial to draw a distinction between direct and indirect harms, tangible and abstract harms. Does the problem lie in the individual's right to bodily autonomy and self determination? Or does it lie in the design of a system that forces the consequences of individuals' decisions to be diffused across the entire population? I don't really know, but it raises a lot of questions. Is it fair to punish those who don't make the choice to smoke? Is it fair to treat those who make the choice to smoke differently? Discussion around smoking induces a very, very strong bias.

Consider something else: Should I be made to feel guilty for the economic impact if I choose to cut myself with a knife vs. if someone else chooses to cut me with a knife? Obviously, any compassionate person would be more focused on what caused the decision. Anybody would know in this scenario that inducing guilt over the economics of self harm is fucked. Now, if someone else cut me, the obvious way to repair the situation would be to punish the perpetrator.

Do you see what I'm getting at? You shouldn't be mad at the smoker. Generally, nobody chooses to harm themselves. They misunderstood the risks, fell for it, and got addicted. You should be mad at the cigarette companies for not paying restitution for their societal harm. Maybe smokers should be held responsible for those they spread the social contagion of smoking to, but they are in no way culpable for the indirect, abstract harms you perceive. They aren't choosing to cost you money, your government is choosing it by not holding the perpetrator responsible.

You think I'm advocating for people to smoke in public? You think I'm advocating for people to smoke at all? Why don't you re-read my comment and pay close attention to my wording.

The bulge isn't 100% accurate though, mine is girthier, and L-shaped

Idk, I'm a full adult and like them. They're yummy.

I like the fruit flavored nicotine pouches too.

And maybe a pipe later.

Expresso huh?

It's shorthand for the espresso express, a train route from Sleepy Town to Awakesville.
All aboard the expresso! 🚄

Honestly been wondering that a lot. I drink coffee daily. I don't feel like it's killing me. Surely it's not as bad as monster, but what if the amount I drink comes close to the same impact? Is receiving a daily dose of mental stimulants not supposed be part of a healthy diet? 🫠

Define moderation.

Xometimex people make typox

Fair. However, what do you think about people who drive recklessly? They risk their own life and spend more money for fuel, perhaps also for a sports car but they also put others in danger, increase traffic deaths and pollution.

Is it an underlying psychological disorder that makes them do it? Is it the marketing of the auto industry and they fell for it or are they directly responsible?

It's a bad direct comparison with smoking but there is a line somewhere where people are either directly responsible or everything is predetermined and a result of outer circumstances.

I'm glad the social democracy in Germany can (so far) account for "selfish" individual decisions. It's also one of the fields where taxation could be very effective. E.g. taxes on tobacco are quite high in Germany but less for fuel and cars, mostly because of our own car industry but also because pretty much everyone depends on them, regardless of their driving style.

My comment sounded pretty salty but I just wanted to point out that harmful individual choices can affect others. What I'm actually mad about is that the social security in Germany is slowly deteriorating. There's enough money and resources to uphold it but US inspired management and economy styles direct the resources into billionaires pockets while at the same time playing the "look over there, the poor people and immigrants took your money and get everything for free" game.

If you want to drive recklessly, I have no problem with it IF you go somewhere where endangering others is impossible. I feel the same way about smoking. Overconsumption of fossil fuels harms the environment, the same way littering cigarette butts does, but you don't have to do either of these things to indulge in your vice. If someone chooses to harm themselves, they have a responsibility to fully mitigate the "real" risk to others. By "real", I mean unavoidable, tangible, physical and/or psychological harm caused by their actions. Not things that really result from economic math and policy decisions. The individual does not have a responsibility to constrain their choices based on their government's bad policy, and socially enforcing that they do (through guilt/shame) is really stupid. It only serves to hand governments more power than they ought to have, and it reinforces said bad policy.

I think there is a lot of confusion in society, both about what it means to mitigate harm and what harm is itself. One helpful (though not universally applicable) idea I have to clarify things is that if you need to use a calculator to determine if you're harmed or not, you should be blaming your government.

Get a refillable vape. You only need to change the coil, and it's recyclable. You can get all the same flavours. It's also cheaper as well as not being environmentally destructive.

I had cigarettes and coffee for breakfast today

B6 can cause nerve damage long term. Taurine is just a part of bile, it is an amino acid that is in basically all meat. You aren't going to get enough of it from energy drinks to swing the needle one way or the other. They also have sugar or sugar alcohols that can fuck with blood glucose in all kinds of fun ways. Coffee, on its own, is basically just caffeine and water, it is going to be healthier than most other drinks categorically.

And vaping is barely better than traditional cigs despite what people want to believe. They’re both horrible in different ways.

also aluminium cans = microplastics

aluminium is not safe for storing wet acidic things such as drinks, so the inside is plastic-coated

i wonder, which is worse: the microplastics, or the aluminium salts that would be the alternative problem?

Drink decaf, don't smoke - spit on 'tradition', do things you like.

I'll stick to Coke Zero, thank you. And smoking in any form is an instant no no from me

I never heard this. do you have sources that I can read to learn more?

Whew, I have at least 4 coffees, so I skipped the danger zone

Hahaha

Phew

I prefer a joint and a cappuccino but when in paris

You think everything's a boofer