Rofl!

Not like they're putting a gun to Gavin's head and forcing him to repeatedly be a transphobic shithead (like, he has been this way for years in multiple interviews with multiple outlets now)

If we don't want the left getting demotivated we should get leaders who don't attack us all the time

It'll never cease to amaze (read: infuriate) me how conservatives and establishment dems continuously say that trans issues are getting a "disproportionate amount of time" when we weren't ever going to get jack shit from Biden or Harris outside of a mention here or there.

It of course goes without saying that these issues don't detract from other ones and time can and should be spent on them all. It also of course goes without saying that Newsom can eat a dick.

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Well, that approach got you Trump and Stephen Miller. How’s that going?

Can you point to any sources about Buttigieg? I have to admit to not paying attention to him until very recently, when he’s been a voice of reason. I don’t know his history

Yeah but you can’t start shifting things left again unless you get elected. We like to think it’s just reality that shifted right, not the voters, but maybe they are.

Each side has mostly dedicated voters who will always vote for them, and a relatively small population who can go either way. They’re the ones who decide the election: who are they?

Yep, this is how we keep shifting right. I don’t care how much it smells, when it comes down to the actual election, hold your nose and vote to shift left.

I mean we get these dick heads because of how even ranked choice voting works.

It doesn't matter if 1/3 of lefties vote for a true leftie, if we don't beat the Dems, then our votes go Dem....unless your not putting any rank vote on a Dem. Witch (it hurts to say it) is irresponsible

You’d vote for him if he was a democrat. You stand for NOTHING.

Define normal pissant. I'm sure my Inland Imperial cultural norms would rub a shitstain like Newsome in all the wrong ways, least of all my absolute contempt for authority.

I can't hear what you're saying with all that shoe pollish in your mouth.

Show me where Newsom endorsed something like Unhumans.

It's one thing not to be all that wild about Newsom's rather middling take on trans (specifically, transwomen in women's sports, IIRC), but it's quite another to act like there is no difference here.

If he's trying to say we should stop falling into the framing given to us by the unhinged right that talks way more about trans than trans probably do (Donvict just drops random phrases into his rambling monologues now: "transgender for everybody" and "men in women's sports"), he's not wrong about that.

I heard a far more nuanced take on this kind of thing on Pod Save America, by the way.

People aren’t just randomly Democrats or Republicans - each group’s “fleet” is headed toward different general destinations. Which is why “i recognize significant differences between parties and the moral alignment of each” is a reasonable thing to stand for, and which can lead your choice.

Also, like you know me, what a laugh.

Gavin Israel First Newsom

It's a combination of two things, neither of which is totally disqualifying.

The first is his previous employment at McKinsey. They're a consultant firm that frequently gets brought in by companies to basically do bad things like fire a ton of people or manipulate prices. Not kidnapping children, but it's a weird place to work if you're driven by higher values.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/why-buttigiegs-shadowy-consultant-past-at-mckinsey-matters/

The second is in the 2020 primary he started out with progressive messaging and then pivoted to the role of moderate because Bernie and Warren sucked all the air out of that lane. So it just kind of paints the story that he doesn't really believe in anything. And with the moderate switch he courted a lot of money from big money fundraisers and spent a lot of time talking about what we can't do.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/23/us/politics/buttigieg-campaign-moderate.html

I don't get the impression he's deeply committed to any ideology. If he saw progressivism as the best way to advance his political career, he'd be progressive, but with the influence of big money and lobbyists, I doubt it'd work out that way. On the optimistic side he'd be an Obama, that talks hope and change and then continually defaults to "practicality" as lobbyists and establishment politicians tell him not to move too fast. On the pessimistic side he'd be a Sinema, who said progressive things in their younger days but then abandoned it all for ruthless centrism.

Thanks

You aren't going to like who is currently in power.

Telling you lack a highschool reading comprehension without telling me you lack a highschool reading comprehension.