Everyone in America have a birth certificate

Probably not if you're an immigrant right? Legal or not.

I'm trying to say that a birth certificate doesn't make much sense as a form of proof of citizenship, since it doesn't accurately reflect immigrants and, apparently, marital status

Eww, education, that sounds awfully liberal

I realize now that I said IRS instead of SSA.

To change your name with the SSA you have to have an established proof of citizenship or immigration status, or provide the supporting documents.

Don’t forget there are various reasons you might get disenrolled and have to register again.

Including excessive “cleaning” the registration list, for districts which have too many non-Republican voters

I can prove you an ass with one scenario.

Lets both agree this conversation isn't worth our time, then.

Lets both agree this conversation isn’t worth our time, then.

If you're going to finish up with something like this, it's pre-ruined by being an obnoxious git in the first sentence. It is absolutely worth it to me to point out how ridiculous you're being.

people experiencing poverty are far less likely to be born in a hospital and have a birth certificate

For example my teen just needed his birth certificate for a new job and we somehow misplaced it. Getting an expedited replacement took almost two weeks and cost $80.

Even allowing for hospital birth and existing records, misplacing documents is all too easy and could easily become an obstacle to voting. If I’m struggling to make ends meet, no way in hell am I willing to pay $80 to vote and I wouldn’t have thought of it two weeks ahead of time

Historically this was actively fought as an anti-fascist concern. Up until recently it was a big human right issue that you should not be required to show identification except in limited circumstances

And of course now with all the surveillance, tracking, and data collection, it’s more important than ever ….. just as we no longer care

Voting as a man when you’re not? Jail time for you.

In the US, it was a tradition. If it was a law at some point I never heard about it so probably way back. I’m pretty sure my aunt didn’t change her name with her first marriage and that would have been over 50 years ago.

There were always exceptions to that tradition and they are becoming common. Of the same sex marriages I know, they each kept their name.

Of the different sex marriages among my friends, all but two changed their name but I’m an older generation from many people here. I expect my kids generation to have very different results: we’ll see in a few more years

yup. didn't even want to get into duplicate records. but yeah, that's another way this quietly targets working poor people. it disgusts me that 85% of this country supports racist voter ID laws, and that the republicans are using that to fabricate a mandate for even more draconian measures

You were an obnoxious git from the moment you got here, questioning the validity of a proven method amd coming up with stupid scenarios that were easily resolved.

No reason to use the I9 instead of the actual bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/22/text

That's the version that passed the house. And the relevant bit is near the top, section 2(b).

That was the point elsewhere here that it would hurt republicans more.

• republicans tend to be conservative, older, so are more likely for the woman to have changed her name
• democrats tend to be more liberal or more progressive or more educated, all of which are more likely for the woman to keep her name when getting married.

It's a feature, not a bug.

Some of them, for sure.

You don’t become a legal immigrant in the us without presenting your birth certificate I think

As a white guy, I’m aware that there have been times where I’m just accepted at face value when other people would have required ID. Why would voting be any different? It’s not the ID itself necessarily, but who is asked for it and who likely has it in order

As an older guy I’ve also had occasion to laugh at zero tolerance ID mandates for alcohol. At one point I went out for drinks with co-workers of a variety of ages. I somehow forgot my ID so they refused service despite me obviously being well over the age requirement. Instead of getting frustrated, I was amused at getting a coworker less than half my age to buy my beer. Sometimes you just need to laugh at the ridiculousness. But it would not have been funny if something like this kept me from voting

Is no one going to point out that it establishes requirements for birth certificates? If a state doesn’t already comply with all of those, are we going to have to be reborn?

Again, read SAVE instead of making assumptions based on practices of other agencies that are tangentially related.

But that birth certificate can never show proof of US citizenship for immigrants right? I'm assuming the US won't give a US-based birth certificate if you're not born there.

why would a married name match a birth certificate name? or are they saying they only marry relatives? do women change birth certs when married? I am not a woman.

but funny story i adoped my stepson after his mom died. he was 14 or so. he was issued a new birth certificate and the “mother” area is … blank.

A lot of artists don't change their legal name. They sign contracts with and their IDs have their government name.

You'll have to get a passport or move to one of the 5 states with an enhanced driver's license that meets the requirements under section 2(b)(1).

Every day that passes, I hate these people more and more.

If I'm understanding this correctly, passports are also a valid form of citizenship. Passports are usually held by people who lean left, so this could be another advantage the left has in this insane proposition.

I hope passports will remain good enough. I was born to irresponsible teenagers and was legally adopted by one parent, and none of them gave me a copy of my birth certificate. I'm starting to worry that it would be worth tracking it down so I'll have a copy just in case.

This is all so insane, getting our papers in order in case we need to show them to avoid getting disappeared.

When you're married, you give up your voting privileges. Your husband will vote for you. Oh, he only gets one vote of course.

Also, if you're not married, you've clearly shown that you're not mature enough to vote. A public servant will be designated to vote on your behalf.

So we're all getting two last names like Christian people of other countries? Because this is how you get two last names.

Fascism

That's still not proof of citizenship. The SSA is not in charge of tracking citizenship, so a document from them doesn't work for that purpose.

As you said yourself, non-citizens can get social security cards. Changing your name in that circumstance is hardly proof of citizenship.

Long form or short form? Lol

It is though, because the US has birthright citizenship.

You will have to show Real ID before you vote.

They can use it as an excuse to remove voting entirely ; that is the aim.

The vast majority of Real ID(s) do not qualify under the new act. They do not state citizenship.

No amount of documentation will be sufficient if they want you gone.

If it were proven, you'd have a proof, and be able to resolve all the scenarios instead of only the introductory one 🤣. Bringing this up isn't "obnoxious" - it merely challenges your beliefs.

Even if you're right and I'm wrong, being wrong isn't obnoxious.

They've managed to antagonize straight marriages, bravo. This is quite possibly the most effective way to get people to think twice before getting married.

Oh happy day when MAGA Karens learn this when they try to vote.

No ma'am, hyphenating your name isn't what's on your birth certificate.

You get registered as a citizen. But if you want to have an id you need a passport or something.

Never had an issue voting lol

What rights do people wealthier than me have?

It’s feels weird Dems assuming I have less rights than them based on my ethnicity. What’s worse is I feel like Dems are trying to come from a good place with a good heart. But it’s starting to scare me that a group of people are ok with Latinos becoming second class citizens. As an illegal immigrant you can’t join a union or big company to get a good job. It’s causing illegal immigrants to have no choice but to take this jobs to survive.

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, to start with.

Grow up.

and Patriarchy

You clearly didn't read my comment because the SSA knows your citizenship status. To make a name change that status has to be already known to the SSA, or you have to prove it.

And this is all ignoring the fact that you already had to prove it to get a Real ID.

It won't stop married women from voting but it just creates a huge pain in the ass plus basically a poll tax. Since you'll have to pay for copies of your birth certificate, plus getting your marriage license, and of course an ID.

Unconstitutional, but this admin wipes it's ass with that document anyways.

Cis women, trans people, and abuse victims. Their favourite targets.

You'd better not change your last name at all when you marry.

Lol so your answer is a catch phrase. Cause I notice the harm of using my people as a political football. This is why the part system is fucking stupid. Your fans just trying to help your team not the actual people