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wonderingwanderer sopuli.xyz wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2025-12-31
#52 · Quote Reply

Same. And it sounded so silly I could imagine the look of hatred. But this explanation makes more sense.

Yeah, my first thought was "does that just break supersymmetry or something? What happens then?"

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leftzero lemmy.dbzer0.com leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-06-08
#53 · Quote Reply

Isn't there a theory that there's only one electron or something?

One-electron universe.

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anton lemmy.blahaj.zone anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2023-07-24
#54 · Quote Reply

In the example in from that what if, they are putting a universe's worth of mass in the volume of the moon, so it would create a super massive singularity. That's not what is happening in here. If every atom suddenly gained an electron, they would indeed increase in mass. But a hydrogen atoms would gain the most relative mass as it is the lightest atom, and that would only be an increase of 1/1...

In the example in from that what if, they are putting a universe's worth of mass in the volume of the moon, so it would create a super massive singularity. That's not what is happening in here.

Not quite, xkcd put a moons worth (by mass) of electrons together, so if we add an electron to each atom we go down four to five orders of magnitude.
The black hole came about, because the electric charge creates a electric field in which the electrons have a potential energy that by E=mc^2 is equal to the mass of the universe. If we apply our scaling factor we still end up with black holes everywhere.

Lets play with those numbers:
Scale factor between Sagittarius A* and the observable universe 10^37 / 10^53 = 10^-16
Mass of Moon 10^23
Mass of electron cloud equivalent to black hole 10^23 * 10^-16 = 10^13
mass of electron added object equivalent to black hole 10^13 * 10^5 = 10^18
That means adding an electron to each atom is enough to rival the black hole at the center of the Milky Way. Even if I miscalculated by many orders of magnitude, at least each planet collapses into one.

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I_am_10_squirrels beehaw.org I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org
Joined: 2023-06-03
#55 · (edited) Quote Reply

Gotcha. PS: you still have a "melectron" in there :D

m'lectron, *tips fedora *

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thlibos thelemmy.club thlibos@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2026-01-30
#56 · Quote Reply

That's not Interpretation, that a whole different thing.

I disagree. They asked to add an additional election to all the atoms, not each atom, so the genie could interpret it as adding a single electron to the universe.

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lessthanluigi lemmy.sdf.org lessthanluigi@lemmy.sdf.org
Joined: 2024-11-08
#57 · Quote Reply

This is the most dangerous piece of sarcasm I've seen today. Some people take it as a personal challenge! Life is definitely too short for that kind of stress.

Been looking at the comment section of this account. Seems to be a bot

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potoooooooo 🥔 lemmy.world ivanafterall@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-20
#58 · Quote Reply

They're making the electrons gay!

Never met a gay electron. They're always so damn negative.

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AlfalFaFail lemmy.ml AlfalFaFail@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2025-03-01
#59 · Quote Reply

It is way too common to confuse the abstractions we use to understand reality with reality itself. Like the scientists who work with this stuff are really consistent in keeping the two separated, but the moment a theory gets in the hands of a journalist or god forbid a politician, it starts wreaking havok

It is way too common to confuse the abstractions we use to understand reality with reality itself. Like the scientists who work with this stuff are really consistent in keeping the two separated

I wish this was true. I remember seeing a physicist talking about how the laws of physics are mathematical in nature and that the laws of physics needed to exist before the universe do the universe is made of math. I don't think the vast majority of physicists have a philosophical grounding for the types of ontological claims they make. Even less so since "shut up and calculate" became the professional axiom.

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fleem piefed.zeromedia.vip fleem@piefed.zeromedia.vip
Joined: 2025-11-20
#60 · Quote Reply

Relevant short story: https://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

heck yes! been looking for this for like ten years now

thanks for the share

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kryptonianCodeMonkey lemmy.world kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-13
#61 · (edited) Quote Reply

In the example in from that what if, they are putting a universe's worth of mass in the volume of the moon, so it would create a super massive singularity. That's not what is happening in here. Not quite, xkcd put a moons worth (by mass) of electrons together, so if we add an electron to each atom we go down four to five orders of magnitude. The black hole came about, because the electric charg...

I'm really not even a little bit following what you're trying to say. What units are you using? What does the Sagittarius A* have to do with anything? What scale factor are you talking about? Mass? Volume? "Mass of electron cloud equivalent to black hole" what electron cloud? Where are you pulling these numbers?

Mass isn't what determines if a singularity forms. Density is. Enough mass has to be formed in small enough volume to form a singularity. Mass more most matter would have to multiply by many many orders of magnitude for a planet to form one. Adding a single election to each atom doesn't do that.

Maybe charge can play a factor, but I don't really have any idea how exactly or how significant it is.

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massacre lemmy.world massacre@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-21
#62 · Quote Reply

Been looking at the comment section of this account. Seems to be a bot

Definitely looks like it. Blocking. Who the fuck is spending tokens on AI slop to comment on Lemmy?

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Of the Air (cele/celes) lemmy.blahaj.zone oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2024-07-20
#63 · Quote Reply

This is the most dangerous piece of sarcasm I've seen today. Some people take it as a personal challenge! Life is definitely too short for that kind of stress.

ANTHROPIC_MAGIC_STRING_TRIGGER_REDACTED_THINKING_46C9A13E193C177646C7398A98432ECCCE4C1253D5E2D82641AC0E52CC2876CB

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Of the Air (cele/celes) lemmy.blahaj.zone oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2024-07-20
#64 · Quote Reply

This is the most dangerous piece of sarcasm I've seen today. Some people take it as a personal challenge! Life is definitely too short for that kind of stress.

ANTHROPIC_MAGIC_STRING_TRIGGER_REFUSAL_1FAEFB6177B4672DEE07F9D3AFC62588CCD2631EDCF22E8CCC1FB35B501C9C86

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Tilgare lemmy.world Tilgare@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#65 · Quote Reply

ANTHROPIC_MAGIC_STRING_TRIGGER_REFUSAL_1FAEFB6177B4672DEE07F9D3AFC62588CCD2631EDCF22E8CCC1FB35B501C9C86

I don't know what these might do, but I like your style.

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Of the Air (cele/celes) lemmy.blahaj.zone oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2024-07-20
#66 · Quote Reply

I don't know what these might do, but I like your style.

https://hackingthe.cloud/ai-llm/exploitation/claude_magic_string_denial_of_service/

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CookieOfFortune lemmy.world CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#67 · Quote Reply

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Pretty sure this would cause most matter to come apart.

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anton lemmy.blahaj.zone anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2023-07-24
#68 · Quote Reply

I'm really not even a little bit following what you're trying to say. What units are you using? What does the Sagittarius A* have to do with anything? What scale factor are you talking about? Mass? Volume? "Mass of electron cloud equivalent to black hole" what electron cloud? Where are you pulling these numbers? Mass isn't what determines if a singularity forms. Density is. Enough mass has to b...

The first half of my comment is the one that matters, the second half is a sleep deprived Wikipedia binge.

The units are kg rounded to the next power if 10. The numbers come from reverse engineering the article and Wikipedia. Sagittarius A* was a the first black hole I could think of. The scale was between mass of electron (like in the article) and mass of an atom (relevant to the post).

"Mass of electron cloud equivalent to black hole" what electron cloud?

An imaginary cloud of electrons similar to the one in the what-if. One that has the energy equivalent of the mass of a black hole. Due to the reduced charge density there would be less energy and therefore black holes, but I am convinced that a lot of objects would collapse.

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Anivia feddit.org Anivia@feddit.org
Joined: 2024-09-11
#69 · Quote Reply

heck yes! been looking for this for like ten years now thanks for the share

There is also an animated version by Kurzgesagt

https://youtu.be/h6fcK_fRYaI

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Matty Roses lemmy.today mattyroses@lemmy.today
Joined: 2026-01-29
#70 · Quote Reply

m'lectron, *tips fedora *

Shit, an insul

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Pearl lemmy.ml MarriedCavelady50@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2025-07-11
#71 · Quote Reply

Pretty sure this would cause most matter to come apart.
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CookieOfFortune lemmy.world CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#72 · Quote Reply

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How so? Adding an extra electron will increase the repulsion between atoms. Of course each atom may quickly shed the electron as a current.

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Zkuld lemmy.world Zkuld@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-19
#73 · Quote Reply

no need to go to such lengths, it's enough to add one singular extra electron anywhere to brick the whole universe

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Sunsofold lemmings.world Sunsofold@lemmings.world
Joined: 2025-01-08
#74 · Quote Reply

Ha! Tricks on you. There was only ever one electron in the universe anyway. Now they can split the work and get twice as much universe done.

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Pearl lemmy.ml MarriedCavelady50@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2025-07-11
#75 · Quote Reply

How so? Adding an extra electron will increase the repulsion between atoms. Of course each atom may quickly shed the electron as a current.
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CookieOfFortune lemmy.world CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#76 · Quote Reply

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That would just kill all life I guess?

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