Come back to what, exactly?

That's why their own investigation shows face genocide cost her the vote

.ml was taking about Sudan until the liberal monoparty decided ww3 (with nukes!) was a great idea!

Because the CIA instances mods were censoring.

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People abroad trusting America perhaps? America seems like it’s really destroyed its reputation lately.
Or could be referring to the decay of rule of law with ICE and the like, will the public ever trust the government again?

Wow, I guess ignorance is bliss. Well I give a shit that you're a corporate centrist cuck and is part of the reason we have Trump. Good job champ, but atleast you didnt stoop to trumps level right? You are the same person that will be thank Trump while liv8ng with a boot on their neck lol

Woah now, he just recognizes blacks as thugs and young people as a useful economic battery for the wealthy and actively put rules and laws into place to help fill prisons and debt with his select groups.

That was all in good clean capitalism, this is unholy capitalism, cause what if he isn't well liked and the US doesnt make more money for his friends anymore?

His previous stuff just affected other people! What if he has to experience it personally?! Havent you thought of him?

Funny enough it isn't.

There is a concept in imperialism that eventually after running out of room to expand the threat of violence and demand turns inward towards its own people and then when that fails too they lash out violently towards anything they deem as a resource they should own.

Its actually extremely common throughout history and means also this has not felt new to people that that have been in the sights of the outward facing arm of it for decades now. So it might feel unique to you and you may claimit to be because years have passed and we have new technology to wage these fights with.. But its shockingly more of the same just getting spread around more to more people to shelter the controlling classes more, as usual.

So eloquent

Nah, trolls do it to get a rise out of people, they're aware they're being ridiculous. This one 100% actually believes this shit.

Not even close. Literally my entire position is based on the fundamental premise of opposition to trump. You're the one who seems more deadset on tearing apart his opponents than you are on actually focusing your ire on him.

Is cuck the only insult you know?

Far from it. Ill give my usual reply. Please give the presidents you would rank higher. I usually go through all the things accomplished but im bit sick of compiling it. The big one for me was the omudsman bill which had a lot of things and the no surprise billing. For me in order its biden, obama, carter, clinton, bush sr, reagan, bush jr, trump.

I can not give you "better," because that just means "better liars." But everyone before Clinton was more left than anyone since Clinton.

Former President Biden's biggest mistake, allowing the MAGA fucknuts to maneuver unhindered toward the current fucked-up mess.

Anyone with half a brain could see the project 2025 was coming. There was enough to declare an emergency and to have everyone put on trial for conspiracy to overthrow the government. You guys just want to act like falling over and playing dead is the only thing the "opposition" party can do.

You want to bring up some bullshit about how the laws prevented them from moving quickly or something? Throw those interfering in the investigation in jail and nullify their congressional voting rights.

But no, you're right, both sides are totally different, I'm just the crazy one for thinking we could have something better.

If ONLY he had been president and could've DONE something about Trump! Like arrest him for that coup attempt against... Whomever was elected.... Or ANYTHING!

This ignores the situation around the presidency. Nixon had pressure to get the environmental and social progressive actions done. I mean its like he ended the viet nam war after escalating it. Nixon is really the start of the whole slide of the republican party. One reason the right has so much power now compared to nixons days at this point is the left has little value support wise in the two party system. The ultra right will vote republican even if the republican does not do things right enough. The democrats pretty much get their suport from centerists and left of center who realize having more left is better than having more right. So most democrats just have to be left of the republicans. We have somewhat of a chance now as we have some democrats who are much more progessively left but if they don't get support that will be the end of that. I have decided to vote for kelly myself in the primary. It may mean krishna will win as the front runner but while I prefere kelly he is about typical to what our senators have been which is amazing for the typical us senator but still disapoints me.

so reagan and bush sr. you prefer them over biden? I certainly would not. I can see why america is so right at this point.

Biden still didn't cause anyone to decide a pedophile is the only option.

You can't change my mind on this.

Ever.

I did not say I prefer anyone, because they are all shit.

Htf do you get, "you prefer" from "I can't give you better?"

USA is cooked, and this "logic" is why.

When "center" means "far right." 🤮

your reply suggested it. That the only way biden could be the best sitting president of a lifetime would require womeone being very young. So while you did not specifically say your preference you suggested others would be better.

your reply suggested it

To someone who inserts their own narratives into what is actually said.

A box of rocks would have been "better."

not really. center mean both left and right of center along with moderate left as moderate right to ultra right is 100% always vote republican. Thats the extent of americans that effect elections.

Nope, just speaking in terms of absolutes. Crooks, as an American citizen, took as much of a concrete action to remove the man as could be made and paid as high a price as could be paid.

Biden may have given all he thought himself able, but that's neither here nor there.

You are either obtuse or trolling. Is prefer trolling to this level of willfully obtuse.

I know what Biden means, I'm saying that there is nothing worth going "back" to. People didn't trust the USA, the wealthy understood they could secure their power by cooperating with it and using its capacity for violence; that's how colonialism functions.

It wasn't him running for a second term when his cognitive decline had been bad enough to say he finally beat Medicare?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=twjDtEOXMoE

I don’t think he made people decide a pedophiles is the only option. I think he and the rest of the establishment democrats failed to give the people who didn’t want the pedophile something to vote for. Yes, people had plenty of reasons to vote against trump, but they didn’t have many reasons to vote for Biden or Harris. The reality is that giving people a reason to vote for you is what actually gets them out to the polls

You are correct, but thats not what I'm arguing. So why didn't the biden administration act? Why didn't the DoJ do more with the mountains, hell Galaxy's worth of incriminating evidence they had? Why not jail every single Congress person who had obstructed? Why turn a blind eye to Jan 6?

That is so funny, you are still calling Biden trump's opponent. Further proving my point you are his cuck. Why dont you join us in the present and stop living in the past. Oh, and why would I call you anything but a cuck when that is clearly what you are and im not tearing anything doing. This will be biden's legacy so suck a dick lol

This is AI Slop.

Whatever, since you're proving yourself to be so unserious I'm done with this conversation.

Maybe he just needed a nudge in the right direction, like a Supreme Court ruling that presidents were invulnerable.

From CNN or the summary in the post?

Wake up. They arrested jan 6 insurrectionists under Biden

It's Trump who pardoned them once he got back into power.

Either way It's just sheer false equivalency to ever say any of this had anything to do with why voters choose a pedophile and why other potential voters stepped aside and let them. These assholes need to be held accountable for their actions to facilitate this to happen. So you can't blame Biden for that.

Why trump remained unjailed should be a separate discussion to the sheer callousness of voters voting for a pedophile

These are two entirely different discussions and merging then only disqualifies a deep problem that should be addressed on its own.

This is my problem with this being merged as one problem. It overlooks way too much of what happened here.

Funny how you don't even mention the Epstein files. You want red pedofiles or blue ones?

Both

None of them. Biden wasn’t in the files. And i don’t give fuck if à dem was in them arrest them too. Stop destructing the point and stop this strawperson bullshit. Almost had respect enough to think you were here for a point. Now I can see you’re an insane waste of time.

Not voting someone isn’t a reason to vote for à fucking pedo. Never a good enough reason to vote à pedo. This is a shit argument by shit people for shit people.

You act like that shit isn't happening right now under Trump. I am pretty fucksure we are all well aware of the dangers.

The point is not realizing if they didn't break some rules to stop him, Trump was gonna stomp all over every rule and has literally turned the DOJ into his own grievance chasing law firm.

So yeah, it's literally happening right the fuck now so why should I give a shit about someone breaking the same rules to STOP this from becoming the norm. It sure as fuck is the norm now.

Well I was completely on board with doing everything we could to stop trump, but for some reason for a lot of people the line was drawn at actually voting. So yeah, trump is destroying the institutions of the US government and yeah, we're all fucked. But if Biden destroyed those very same institutions in some "preemptive strike" against trump, we'd still be fucked. Either way, the system is broken. The only thing that would change is who broke the system, and trump could avoid looking like the bad guy while laying all the blame at Biden's feet for taking the bait.

At least this way, what trump is doing is unprecedented. Its quite clear that he's the one breaking the system, and even though he still tries to accuse Biden of everything he's doing, people can at least see through it.

Yeah real glad we can see through it while people are being black bagged in the streets and held without cause and worse.

Get your fucking head out of your ass.

How many peoples lives need to be ruined so you can feel smugly superior?

My head isn't in my ass. I've seen through it for years, and that's why I did all I could to get people to see the danger leading up to 2024. It's not my fault everyone decided to focus on the billion-dollar smear campaign against Biden instead of the very real danger of trump fascism.

It didn't take people getting black bagged and abducted for me to wake up, so direct your ire elsewhere.

How many peoples lives need to be ruined so you can feel smugly superior?

I don't feel smugly superior. I'm distraught at what's happening. Quite enough lives have already been ruined, and I'm frustrated with my powerlessness to do anything about it.

But if you want to attack me because I say people should have voted against trump even if they had to hold their noses while they were doing it, or because Biden shouldn't have destroyed the democratic process in an attempt to save it, whatfuckingever. Stop trying to blame me for what's happening.

My darker side would have reveled in conservatives getting what's coming to them. It would be the most satisfying if they were given due process and their rights were respected while they were being tried, convicted, and sentenced for their very real crimes. That's what should have happened.

A part of me would love to say that all that should have been thrown out the window and the threats to democracy should have been hunted down and eliminated by any means possible, but my rational side tells me that once that precedent is set there's no going back, and that the very act would necessitate further measures and more drastic measures, until it starts to effect people who weren't legitimate threats to democracy.

And humanity's rational nature is what gives us the capability in engaging in civil society and democratic processes. It's what enabled us to develop systems of society which, at least nominally, acknowledge things like human rights and limitations of powers. If we throw all that out the window, we're no more than animals.

Maga has thrown it all out the window, and they're behaving like animals. They're clearly the bad guys. So why don't you direct your anger at them instead of the people who refuse to stoop to their level in some vain endeavor to oppose them.

If rationality, compassion, rule of law, civic order, and democratic processes don't win, we all lose. It doesn't matter who destroys them, even if it was your guy.

You can ramble all you want, it still amounts to "I'm glad we didn't actually do anything to stop this because stopping it would have been worse somehow." Fucking grow up. You act like it's a foregone conclusion that things would have devolved, when it's categorically not. Brazil and South Korea were able to handle these situations without this pissing around "wE hAvE tO fOlLoW tHe pRoCeSs" because their processes actually fucking worked when the "process" in the USA has been broken for fucking decades already anyway. We already had two justice systems, Trump just made it visible to fucking middle class liberal white people who are somehow shocked that the shit that's been happening to minorities for fucking decades is now the norm. The system was already broken and built so the rich and powerful could exploit it and due to that we needed someone willing to throw a monkey wrench in the gears of that broken ass fucking system, not people piddling around and going "we just need to trust this totally fucking broken system that lets the wealthy buy their way out of consequences literally every time." Biden had that chance, he squandered it, and now you and him are both whinging about how fucking bad it is while taking zero responsibility for the fact that he fucked up majorly in numerous ways, including ways that didn't have to take four fucking years if we'd had an AG that wasn't a fucking "gimme" to the Republicans because he didn't get his Supreme Court spot. Oh boo hoo for Garland, he deserved that consolation prize so he could slow walk everything so he didn't "look political" while looking deeply political in helping fucking criminals get off scott free. Maybe if we hadn't been handing that motherfucker a consolation prize we might have an AG that did their fucking job and did it fast and with the seriousness it deserved and wouldn't have even needed Biden to get directly involved. There were so many fucking chances to do this within the bounds of the broken system you keep choking on the dick of, and yet, somehow, none of that happened because we hired the biggest pussy in history to be AG for no good fucking reason except to glaze the same Republicans who are busy trying to put us in camps. Jack Smith could have and should have been deployed day one not two fucking years later after pissing around going "shucks I just don't know what to do!" The fact that he wasn't is part of the evidence that the system is broken and built to fail everyone except the wealthy and powerful to begin with.

Brazil and South Korea were able to handle these situations without this pissing around "wE hAvE tO fOlLoW tHe pRoCeSs" because their processes actually fucking worked

Brazil and South Korea followed due process and rule of law as written in their constitutions.

The problem with the US is that due process and rule of law weren't followed faithfully, which is in no small part due to the 6/3 conservative Scotus throwing their sycophantic fuckery into the mix.

You can criticize the actual issue, which is that the US's legal system favors the rich and that the Scotus is corrupt. But if you want to focus on the fact that Biden didn't break the law in order to save us from the law being broken, you're gonna lose me.

You made various points that I don't disagree with, but since you decided to pepper them with insults based on a misrepresentation of what I'm saying, I'm not going to bother engaging with them in any level of detail.

I will say however that Jack Smith did all he could in the time that he had. Major investigations don't come together overnight, especially if you want to press charges that have a chance of sticking in court. The Supreme Court punted the decision on whether to allow prosecution to proceed. Don't blame Jack Smith for doing all that anyone could have done, in a system that was already rigged against him.