I can't control other people, only myself. If they want to sleepwalk into lies and fake propaganda there is nothing I can do.

Your point?

I'm not trying to rib you here, but I hate that excuse that it's too hard to drop these products. We've lived thousands of years without them, but lack the will now? WTF kinda weak ass shit is that?

I am not saying that it's hard to drop

I'm saying that because of Discord's structure it's hard to move Discord communities to other platforms because you need to move a community of many people rather than just an account on which you post and view posts like when moving from Twitter to Mastodon or Reddit to Lemmy

Socialism doesn't really address any of that, instead you just have a political party elite that fills that plutocrat class. It's the same shit when it comes to a few megalomaniacs ending up in control of everything.

What you need is an actual fucking democracy.

The dumb thing is that Meta owns Instagram and WhatsApp, so if every one of their apps have these features what's the point of downloading more than one of them?

EDIT: I misread telegram as Instagram lmao, but either way there's no point in using any of them

It's not hard at all. You either move or you don't. It's binary. If you can't be bothered to do a little bit of legwork then just stay where you are and give the corps what they want. If that fragments your community so be it, build another one. All I hear are excuses as to why folks can't stand by their morals because it's inconvenient. IMO it's pathetic, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

You criticize society, yet you live in one.

Paying for the checkmark is out of line though.

The percentage of sociopaths involved with creating a society should never be greater than zero.

Financial obesity is an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.

Corporations are the only ‘persons’ which should be subjected to capital punishment, but billionaires should be euthanised through taxation.

Right, and I'm trying to explain to you that it's not what they base their success on. I know you mean well, but we're not a meritocracy and they do fail upwards.

What about council communism?

You just assumed I use those platforms which makes you the fool here.

You not supporting evil doesn't stop evil. To try for another approach here since you seem rather dense, evil prevails when good men do nothing.

I'm sure you'll just attack that too becuase what's important here to you is your feelings. Doing something was never going to be an option for you

No they're capitalists. They base their success off of money. No users or even less users, means less money.

And what are you doing Mr. Holier-than-thou?

You should break yourself from any tech stack that isn't open source and either decentralized or federated if it's an online service, regardless of country of origin.

money is fake, its all about control

Look at all the bad news coming out about Tesla and Musk all together, and his wealth increased from like 300bil to 700bil :/

Define woke.

His bubble will pop eventually too. He can't stay inflated forever. He's completely propped up by lies and schemes.

The control of media and of communication by the wealthy is mainly a threat to society.

It's not like eating junk food where you're only harming yourself.

We're all threatened by people being ignorant and propagandized.

Now, what you can do, there are many things. Talk to your neighbors, involve yourself in your community, get people to come on the Fediverse, demonstrate, etc.

Kind of ironic that this was posted on Twitter (X).

It's also funny and weird how the epstein files are also just 1s and 0s

I do all of that already. If my friends and family take my advice it is their choice. I cannot nor would I want to force them into it. You can't save people from themselves, especially if they're unwilling. You can only save yourself.

If these people could read...

I commend you for doing your part.

So democratic socialism

Just gonna ignore that blue mark huh. Or do you not know what that means

Yeah, people living under a rock. Similar shit with radio stations for at least a decade too.

Quickest and easiest demonstration of Sinclair: This is extremely dangerous to our democracy

Well it makes sense, the people who most need to think about this are people consuming the content on the sites.

Alternatively, it just would be preaching to the choir.

This was a problem decades before Trump took office, and the exact same problem will remain after he's gone.

Those corporations are "donating" (bribing) every election cycle for a reason, and it's not charity.

Each candidate has a billion dollars, win or lose... that we know of. Our reps and their entire families are millionaires. Bribery is blatant and legal.

See Super PACs and Citizens United for further details.

I don't think that's the criticism, rather we fixing the problem at the wrong end of things. We can't fix society by stressing personal responsibility, we need a different tactic.

First time I've seen the term "financial obesity" and I love it. Thanks.

You just described a sizeable portion of the FOSS community.

As somebody that loves FOSS, the community around it can come off like a morally superior vegan/christian/other-commilunity-known-for-this-attitude quite often. "I DID IT, WHY CANT YOU!?" Is an attitude I've encountered frequently, and it's hard to get them to understand that not everybody has the same tech knowledge level, or use cases, or can manage the loss that comes with stopping/moving away from corporate solutions.

"Lobbying"

People should spend a little time watching The PBS News Hour if they imagine it's still an alternative to this sort of thing. Yes, it's aimed at retired liberals, but it has become astonishing seeing how it toes the corporate line and how it sane-washes the stuff Trump and his cronies are saying and doing.

How about aristocat anarchy?

Add Google, Microslop, and Apple to the list as they love to bend the knee to kiss the ring.

There's only so much you can do when your operating systems are run by fascists.

But they "deeply" care about your "privacy".

Wish I shared your optimism. Guy is a moron propped up by the US government who's on the Epstein Files and begged to party on the island on Xmas....which means he's about to become a trillionaire....well at least this was a good way to find out that my android autocorrect doesn't even have that word in the vocabulary.

Phew, at least they're not owned by the state, like those damn commies. /s

Right. So don't start using the stupid Internet shit that's always been stupid. Thanks!

If the tactic doesn't benefit the person doing it at all, then they won't do it.

We are on the losing end of the class war. And it feels like we aren't even trying to fight back.

It means they reach a bigger audience.

A poll came out the other day that put Mamdani +49 (that’s not a typo +49) in New York. People are waking up, all the propaganda in the world cannot change people’s mind when they see someone fighting for their material interests.

I’ve been in this fight since Bernie in 2016 there are people who’ve been in it much much longer than me.

We are winning…

Sure, and that's why I don't bother telling people their voting tactics are wrong.

The Conservative Propaganda Machine

I've been fighting since Gore "lost" in 2000. It's never felt like winning.

Luigi fought back

Let me know if and when they take over thelemmyclub, I'll be out of here in a heartbeat

Thank you for asking so nicely and with such curtesy and humility after graciously answer my questions.

I actively encourage and warn others to not use these platforms. I also pirate all their shit and share it with those around me who struggle to shake their addiction to the content.

Cool, so the same shit I'm doing. No need to be smug about it.