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Tony Bark
pawb.social
tonytins@pawb.socialJoined: 2023-06-04 |
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Snot Flickerman
lemmy.blahaj.zone
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2023-10-24 |
I have been saying this since 2016, when we were dealing with both Cambridge Analytica and Correct the Record flooding the internet with paid political speech masquerading as real people with real opinions who weren't being paid to spout nonsense. Paid political speech online whether by a human or a bot, should legally be required to state that they are being paid to promote their statements. There should be hefty penalties, large fines for single instances (one person, one message) up to prison time for an organized group (something akin to RICO). The fines/prison time should be even more severe when AI generated messages are fraudulently being promoted as real humans, simply due to the industrial speed and scale AI generation allows. Paid political advertising on television and radio has for a long time been required to state that it is paid. This should have been priority number one from the Democrats when Biden got into office and they held slim majorities in both houses, Sure, there's nothing we can do about foreign bot farms, but that's not what this article is about. This is about a US company based in our nations capital whose goal is to spread disinformation abusively to impact public comment. This is a private company absolutely flooding an agency with an open public comment period for an agency proposition and killing the proposition through messages that are not from real people at all but from AI. The fact that getting this under control at the very least within our own borders is not a priority for any politicians is a fucking travesty and makes our entire democratic apparatus an outright farce. |
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ell1e
leminal.space
ell1e@leminal.spaceJoined: 2025-07-16 |
It is shocking that this (apparently???) doesn't seem to be illegal. |
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[object Object]
lemmy.ca
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-07-20 |
This is fraud. |
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UnderpantsWeevil
lemmy.world
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-14 |
This is fraud.
Highly lucrative fraud. So you know nobody is going to do anything about it |
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
Fuck AI |
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Snot Flickerman
lemmy.blahaj.zone
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2023-10-24 |
Fuck AI
This was happening before AI, with less sophisticated tools, often called "Persona Management" that allowed one person to control numerous bots with pre-written scripts that could be called up depending on what was called for. The only difference the AI has made is the speed and scale at which the same can be done and be more convincingly not all culled from the same script. https://www.axios.com/2017/12/15/bots-flooded-the-fcc-with-comments-about-net-neutrality-1513307159 Here's an article about a flood of bot comments to an FCC open comment regarding Net Neutrality in 2017, five years before OpenAI would release ChatGPT. So it's definitely been going on before the AI tools as they now exist were available. It's a quantitative difference, not a qualitative difference, in other words it's the same thing just larger scale due to the speed of AI. |
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
This was happening before AI, with less sophisticated tools, often called "Persona Management" that allowed one person to control numerous bots with pre-written scripts that could be called up depending on what was called for. The only difference the AI has made is the speed and scale at which the same can be done and be more convincingly not all culled from the same script. https://www.axios.c...
Yeah AI is an acceleration of that, which is why it sucks. |
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TheJesusaurus
piefed.ca
TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca Joined: 2025-10-20 |
Do they not fucking check this stuff? When I sign a petition to my government they want to know if I'm a constituent or not. Otherwise why would they care about my signature on a page |
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arctanthrope
lemmy.world
arctanthrope@lemmy.worldJoined: 2025-11-25 |
so the word "grassroots" just doesn't fucking mean anything anymore, huh |
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BrianTheeBiscuiteer
lemmy.world
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-17 |
Public comment shouldn't be used as an opinion poll. It should give regulators and politicians a range of viewpoints they may not have previously considered. |
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WesternInfidels
feddit.online
WesternInfidels@feddit.online Joined: 2026-01-29 |
CiviClick, which bills itself as "the first and best AI-powered grassroots advocacy platform." so the word "grassroots" just doesn't fucking mean anything anymore, huh
That annoys me as well. They call it "astroturfing" because it's fake grassroots. I wonder if we should call this "cyberturfing." |
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EtherWhack
lemmy.world
EtherWhack@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-23 |
That annoys me as well. They call it "astroturfing" because it's fake grassroots. I wonder if we should call this "cyberturfing."
Syntheturfing? |
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WesternInfidels
feddit.online
WesternInfidels@feddit.online Joined: 2026-01-29 |
Syntheturfing?
GPTurfing? |
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A7thStone
lemmy.world
A7thStone@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-19 |
No it didn't. They had already decided that they were going to side with the lobbyists. They just used this as their excuse to side with the oil companies. |
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OpenStars
piefed.social
OpenStars@piefed.socialJoined: 2024-10-24 |
We have so chosen to not be ready for what is to come. |
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brsrklf
jlai.lu
brsrklf@jlai.lu Joined: 2023-09-03 |
Oh cool, now there's a new way of using AI to destroy the environment. Old one wasn't deliberate enough. |
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Krelis_
sh.itjust.works
Krelis_@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-08-11 |
GPTurfing?
Slopturfing |
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cravl
slrpnk.net
cravl@slrpnk.netJoined: 2023-06-10 |
Slopturfing
Slopturding or Turdturfing |
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🇨🇦GreenBeard🇨🇦
lemmy.ca
GreenBeard@lemmy.caJoined: 2025-02-11 |
This was happening before AI, with less sophisticated tools, often called "Persona Management" that allowed one person to control numerous bots with pre-written scripts that could be called up depending on what was called for. The only difference the AI has made is the speed and scale at which the same can be done and be more convincingly not all culled from the same script. https://www.axios.c...
Yeah, you can kill a man with a knife but you can do it a lot faster and easier with a nuclear warhead. People aren't scared of an aggressive chihuahua, but they'll have an aggressive pitbull put down. The scale and scope of damage matters. |
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Snot Flickerman
lemmy.blahaj.zone
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2023-10-24 |
Yeah, you can kill a man with a knife but you can do it a lot faster and easier with a nuclear warhead. People aren't scared of an aggressive chihuahua, but they'll have an aggressive pitbull put down. The scale and scope of damage matters.
Allow me to quote myself, from my initial comment in this thread, which was the first comment in this thread.
I know this, I made it clear why it's a problem when nobody else had even commented in this thread yet.. I was merely pointing out that this has been a growing problem for a long time before AI became part of it. |
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T156
lemmy.world
T156@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-14 |
This was happening before AI, with less sophisticated tools, often called "Persona Management" that allowed one person to control numerous bots with pre-written scripts that could be called up depending on what was called for. The only difference the AI has made is the speed and scale at which the same can be done and be more convincingly not all culled from the same script. https://www.axios.c...
It does make it harder to find them, because the phrasing is similar, but not identical due to randomness. Whereas before, you could probably filter a good chunk of it out by just finding the same message/keywords and filtering by that. |
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justastranger
sh.itjust.works
justastranger@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-18 |
CiviClick, which bills itself as "the first and best AI-powered grassroots advocacy platform." so the word "grassroots" just doesn't fucking mean anything anymore, huh
That's just outright fraudulent activity, is it not? |
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lumettaria
sopuli.xyz
lumettaria@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2026-02-10 |
Wow! Didn't know I could get any more disgusted! |
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