In this AI bubble Playstation is also a marginalized platform. Sony is also struggling under the memory shortage and rumors are the PS6 has been pushed forward another year because you can't launch a new platform in this economy. They will fare better because they can make special deals to get the hardware they want, but at what price? If PS6 starts costing something like $700 they're not going to be all that successful.

Sony hasn't developed a good game since Gravity Rush 2 so I don't care.

Depends on console architecture, these days they are all x86 I believe, so very easy. In the past for example the PS3, it was basically hard because it is a different architecture this is why even emulator for PS3 are still not perfect.

So you paid for them on PS5 but pirated them on PC? Great job telling Sony you don't want PC versions.

Eh, even if PC/component sales drop to zero, PC will still be the biggest platform with hundreds of millions of active users.

Guess I’ll have to find some indie devs to give my money too.

I have not bought a Sony console since the PlayStation 2. I've "missed" a fair few games already. The ones that end up worth playing always seem to make their way to PC eventually.

Their loss. I won't buy a PS5 or later anyway.

Hype is fundamental in their marketing strategy. When they release a game port on PC after 1.5 years, all the hype has already died out.

Man PC gaming just keeps getting whacked in the teeth, doesn't it?

That name brings back so many fond memories

Buddy I barely have enough money for food and rent, last thing I'm doing is spending money to play the same single player game twice. Sony know computer players have steam and are frugal, that is why they are okay with abandoning the market while the going is tough for the average working class denizen of Earth. God knows they were never getting my money twice and so did Sony.

PS what are you trying to accomplish with this comment? Is it fun to just openly shill for capitalism?

And the same can’t be said for consoles?

Console chips are high volume, single SoC, ordered by one reliable customer (Sony), and can make the transition to cloud gaming if they have to. Sony's already experimented with this, actually.

Discrete PCIe GPUs and "desktop" CPUs, on the other hand, are:

• Mostly consumed by gaming laptops, which OEMs could very well abandon.

• And partially go to workstations/gaming desktops.

But repurposed server chips can serve workstations, while tablets and thin clients can eat the desktop/gaming laptop market from the bottom up, too. The niche that assembles higher end gaming PCs isn't enough to amortize the massive cost of such gaming GPUs by themself (hence AMD and Intel already abanonded their highest end GPU variants).

We have PS4 emulation already, thanks to Bloodborne fans. With enough patience you will be able to play it on pc

Honestly with the number of old games I have and the number of new awesome games on Steam, I am set for life. Sony, i need you not

Oh no, but the PC has no games

With as many as they release, that's what like, one every three years or so? I'll live.

I don't think the upcoming games are coming to PS4.

The Forbidden West DLC was already PS5/PC exclusive.

ok

So just their exclusives which they barely make anymore. I can buy used for the 2.5 games Sony themselves makes per generation now when they aren't failing to trend chase a whaling game genre.

Guess I'll have to buy a Steam Machine in a few years when RAM is available again.

too many similar games and knockoffs of each other.

I just don't see how consoles can be "shielded" from the AI onslaught.

If Nvidia/AMD/Intel are going to abandon certain sectors and product types(discrete GPUs, desktop parts), I don't see how they will be fine with custom SOCs. I don't like "all or nothing" scenarios, but if these higher end chips are going away for desktop, I am assuming it will happen to all consumer sectors as well. So the next consoles would be cloud/streaming consoles only.

But, I don't believe discrete GPUs and desktop parts are going away.

The niche that assembles higher end gaming PCs isn’t enough to amortize the massive cost of such gaming GPUs by themself (hence AMD and Intel already abanonded their highest end GPU variants).

I think you're being quite a bit disingenuous here. AMD hasn't made a "highest end GPU variant" in a literal decade. They've never had a competitor to the Titan cards nor the *90 variants, and with the *80 variant slowly taking over the top-end consumer spec(because the *90 took over the TItan classification), all of this isn't because of AI. It's just AMD lagging behind the entire time. And I love AMD, but they've never been known for highest end.

And Intel has NEVER made a highest end GPU variant. So not sure where that claim is coming from.

Also, I genuinely believe a lot of people's perspectives are skewed on all of these aspects. Hardware has gotten more powerful and more efficient, we've gone through a hyper-inflation period, and AI is gobbling everything up, so yeah prices and hardware availability sucks. But a great mid-range build I just spec'd out(9600X, 9060 XT, 1TB nvme, 32GB of DDR5) is around $1400 USD. Just adjusting for inflation, in January 2016 that'd be a little over $1000 USD. Austin Evans has a video(i5-6500, R9 390, 250GB SSD/1TB spinner, 8GB DDR4) from Jan 2016 with a $1000 USD PC build.

Obviously, and hopefully, a build from 2026 beats a build from 2016. But looking at the pricing and adjusting for inflation and current market conditions, I'd say we aren't doing bad at all in 2026. Yeah, shit's expensive, but I don't think we're at a "doomsday level of high end desktop parts going extinct" situation.

So the next consoles would be cloud/streaming consoles only.

They very well could be.

The hardware is near-identical though, or at least it was for PS Now. So the barrier to re-use game streaming hardware for a physical console is fairly low.

I think you’re being quite a bit disingenuous here. AMD hasn’t made a “highest end GPU variant” in a literal decade. They’ve never had a competitor to the Titan cards nor the *90 variants, and with the *80 variant slowly taking over the top-end consumer spec(because the *90 took over the TItan classification), all of this isn’t because of AI. It’s just AMD lagging behind the entire time. And I love AMD, but they’ve never been known for highest end. And Intel has NEVER made a highest end GPU variant. So not sure where that claim is coming from.

It's about silicon size to me. Even if a bit behind Nvidia's mega dies, AMD made "big die" cards consistently, like the 6970, 7970, 290, Fiji, Vega 64, the 6900, 7900 XTX. But the 9000 series is different. The top-end 9070 XT is "only" 356.5 mm2 and 256-bit; a mid-range size. The only recent precedent for that is the RX 480, but those were cheaper and sold alongside higher end GPUs.

And with Arc Battlemage, Intel allegedly had a bigger die in the works, but canceled it. Presumably because they didn't think it was financially viable.

You make fair points. I'm probably panicking and being a little dramatic here... Custom SoCs would probably be questionable if regular graphics are.

But I still don't like the trajectory. It feels like AMD/Intel are struggling to even stay alive in the space, while Nvidia seems to think it's not so important, and I don't like where that goes.

I mean are we going to just pretend that God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, and The Last of Us weren’t enormous successes?

Oh well, im still moving to PC. Im sick of missing out on mods.

They'll be seeing none of my money then. Maybe if I ever bother to play them it'll be for free on an emulator years from now, but honestly, I have a massive backlog of amazing games to play so it might not even be worth the effort. I bought most of their PC releases too. Oh well.

Guess I'll be buying fewer single player games

I have been throwing money at them non stop, keep it up indie devs!

Enormous success=/=good game

I didn’t say commercial success. They are critically acclaimed, nearly universally beloved game series lol. They are successes by pretty much every metric.

LOL, I haven't bought a Sony product since the PSP. Don't threaten me with a good time, jackass.

Meh, I have a ps5 already anyways and prefer to play on my couch, so no loss for me.

To me, consoles are a giant waste. Like, you got another fully capable computer that is artificially limited to gaming. This is an e-waste nightmare, all paid from our wallets.

Could be lovely to have a sort of thin client for couch gaming.

console wars are on again, but Valve will crush Sony.
They don't stand a chance. (*)

(*) Sorry Valve i just doomed you, my predictions are always wrong,.

But to me, a gaming pc is a giant waste, because you spend $2-3000 to play games at a higher res or with extra rtx features, but the actual quality of the game hardly changes from the console version. A simple cheap pc could do most of your pc needs without the gaming function and be significantly cheaper.

In fact a cheap pc and a console net the same results as a high end gaming pc, but at a cheaper price, imo. So to each his own I guess.

In no world am I buying a PS5 so I guess FAFO

Ohh noooo!

Now my backlog of games that should be shrinking is only going to grow by 10% next year instead of 12% like it could have!

The tech companies haven't driven me to the point of utter contempt for consoles like they have for phones, but at the same time I have multiple PCs and more games than I will ever play.

Future headline - "K shaped economy for gaming industry. How indie gaming won the market and AAA bites the dust."

Please FromSoftware goes to PC primarily!

You don't need a high-end PC to get the console experience. Something in the range of $700-800 will run your games no worse than a console, except you'll also get a fully functional computer that can use its full power for any other tasks.

Also, you won't be limited to a certain game library, store, or even the OS. You'll also be able to run any newer games indefinitely as long as your hardware can handle them. And if it can't, you can upgrade the GPU/CPU/RAM specifically instead of replacing the whole unit, saving money, granting customization features, and helping the environment.

So, to each...their own...I guess?

Thank you so much! Less games to add to my pile of shame.

Sony's strategy has been all over the place. This should have been the stance at the launch of PS5, if anything, not now.

Epic exclusives says what?

They'll be seeing fewer sales from PC players.

It'll definitely be more expensive than a console, since they sell the consoles at a loss expecting to make it back on the games. (But not that much more.)

... Especially in this fucking economy when it seems they're deliberately trying to destroy the concept of having a functional computer that you own and can run arbitrary stuff on.

Which, is why it's more important than ever to have a PC.

It, uh, was at least definitely possible to do a <$1000 computer back in 2020-25. Ours is under $1000 (I think we started at $400 for a no-GPU build in 2020ish, then got a used RX 580 ($150) once the GPU craze died down and a slightly better CPU ($100), and have an RX 6600 now). Though now with the exploding RAM prices...

-- Frost

I think so. Also, they just confirmed that they’re scrapping the plan to put yotei on pc
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That sucks. I have a PS5 and it is a great story.

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